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Sat, 06 Aug 2011 #1
Thumb_deleted_user_med Muad dhib Ireland 40 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

I found this from another web site where Ken was quoting this From: This Timeless Moment: A Personal View of Aldous Huxley by Laura Huxley..
And I won't add anything to it myself as I find it is really "enough" in itself but wanted to bring it here.

After lunch Signora S. tactfully suggested that I might want to speak alone with Krishnamurti. She and Aldous went into the living room. A large French window opened onto the terrace, where Krishnamurti and I were left alone. The French window was closed, but, as I realized later, Aldous could see us silhouetted against the sweeping view of the Alps. An hour or two later, when we left our hosts, Aldous could not wait to ask, "What in the world happened between you and Krishnaji? You two were gesticulating with such animation and excitement--it almost looked as though you were having a fight. What happened?"

The silent pantomime Aldous had seen through the French window must have been descriptive of our conversation--an extraordinary conversation against an extraordinary panorama. Krishnamurti and I had stood, walked, and sat on the terrace of the Swiss chalet, enveloped by high peaked mountains and pine woods of all gradations of green, light exhilarating green, and the deeper green of the vast mountain pastures. Brightness again, in luminous sky and in shining flowers, in sensuous undulating valleys, in Krishnamurti. Brightness everywhere.

The first thing I asked Krishnamurti, continuing our table conversation about psychotherapy, was how he dealt with the problem of alcoholism. He said nonchalantly that it had happened quite often that people, after one or two interviews with him, stopped drinking. When I asked how this came about, he said he did not know. He dismissed the subject and asked me whether LSD, mescaline, and the psychedelic substances in general were really of any benefit or just gave a temporary illusion. I told him of the medical research done in Canada in the field of alcoholism--of unexpected and successful results reported by Canadian doctors with a number of hopeless alcoholics who stopped drinking after only one or two administrations of LSD, and without further therapy. Krishnamurti seemed surprised.

He was silent for a few moments. There was something that he was going to say; also I had the feeling that his inner intensity was too powerful for the medium of words. I had no idea what was coming, but I knew something was about to happen. Silently he was holding my eyes with his dark burning look. Then with an extremely tense voice, he exploded, "You know, I think that those people who go about helping other people." He stopped--then, with an even more piercing gaze, he spat out the next words like bullets of contempt: "those people ... they are a curse!"

After the conversation at the table I had no doubt that "those people" included me. The accusation and the fire with which he flung it at me were for an instant paralysing. Then, almost without thinking, I asked, "What about you? What do you think you are doing? You go about helping other people."

As though he had never thought of himself as belonging to that cursed category, Krishnamurti was taken aback for a moment, totally surprised and perplexed. Then, with disarming simplicity and directness, he said, "But I don't do it on purpose!"

It was the most extraordinary of statements. Aldous was enormously impressed by it, and also very touched and amused. Of course he understood it. But I must have looked bewildered, for Krishnamurti, in a softer, calmer way, said, "It just happens, do you see?" Alas, I did not see very well. Krishnamurti continued, "I am not a healer, or a psychologist, or therapist, or any of those things." The words "healer," "psychologist," "therapist" burst from him like projectiles ejected by compressed power. "I am only a religious man. Alcoholics or neurotics or addicts--it doesn't matter what the trouble is--they get better quite often--but that is not important; that is not the point--it is only a consequence."

"What is wrong with such a consequence?" I asked. "I only give people techniques or recipes or tools to help them to do what they need to do--what is wrong in using the transformation of energy to change those miserable feelings into constructive behaviour?" That had been what we had discussed at lunch. I knew that Krishnamurti was violently opposed to dogmas, rites, gurus, and Ascended Masters--to all the gadgetry of those organized powers whose aim is to impress the masses with keeping the godhead and its graces as their supreme and private monopoly. But I had no idea that he also objected to psycho-physical exercises, such as my recipes. Unaware of this fact, I had innocently exposed myself and my work. Now I realized that he had restrained himself during lunch, tactfully waiting until we were alone. He did not restrain himself now; vehemently, with unspeakable intensity, he spoke.

"No! No! Techniques--transformation--no--rubbish! One must destroy--destroy . . . everything!" Fleetingly a thought crossed my mind: how easily such a man can be misunderstood, misinterpreted! I wanted to understand--I knew that he wanted me to understand, but how to ask--that was the question. "But what do you do?" I repeated.

And he repeated: "Nothing--I am only a religious man."

Dan.....

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Sat, 06 Aug 2011 #2
Thumb_deleted_user_med Muad dhib Ireland 40 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Muad dheeb wrotefrom the quote:
"You know, I think that those people who go about helping other people." He stopped--then, with an even more piercing gaze, he spat out the next words like bullets of contempt: "those people ... they are a curse!"

so for me it is the same with people using others......they are a curse too !
the problem is that it is probably the entire planet which goes that way..
few lovely exceptions, I know some , here on the web site too and I include myself in lovely people...but don't be at me in real life, lovely does not mean stupid:))

as Lao tzu said 2600 years ago:"A good traveller has no fixed plan, and is not intent on arriving." this speaks a lot is not it ?
this is exactly the opposite of mankind nowadays and for centuries ..

but he also said this : in times of goodness the wise man does its duty, in times of darkness the wise man only survives

for those who have ears.....

Dan.....

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Sat, 06 Aug 2011 #3
Thumb_222137_198555660188035_100001008078868_524335_5765611_n dhirendra singh India 633 posts in this forum Offline

Muad dheeb wrote:
I include myself in lovely people..

Yes, dear lovely man:)

But I didn't get, what is surprising in above quote?, please tell me why you called it surprising.

I don't know

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Sun, 07 Aug 2011 #4
Thumb_deleted_user_med Muad dhib Ireland 40 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

dhirendra singh wrote:
what is surprising in above quote?, please tell me why you called it surprising.

hi dhirendra...well I realise that it is more a translation from french indeed , with a meaning like: wow ! I find K so special indeed! .....

take care of you .....lovely man :)

Dan.....

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Sun, 07 Aug 2011 #5
Thumb_222137_198555660188035_100001008078868_524335_5765611_n dhirendra singh India 633 posts in this forum Offline

Muad dheeb wrote:
wow ! I find K so special indeed! .....

I get it.Thank you!

I don't know

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Mon, 08 Aug 2011 #6
Thumb_deleted_user_med Muad dhib Ireland 40 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Muad dheeb wrote:
I knew that Krishnamurti was violently opposed to dogmas, rites, gurus, and Ascended Masters--to all the gadgetry of those organized powers whose aim is to impress the masses with keeping the godhead and its graces as their supreme and private monopoly. But I had no idea that he also objected to psycho-physical exercises, such as my recipes.

this is what I wanted to highlight dhirendra...often the so called outer world is part of k views on it , here on this web site there is little about the so called outer...and it is wrong to me, because I see awareness , and in awareness for me as I experienced it : all is equivalent...as comparison is gone..

take care...

Dan.....

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Mon, 08 Aug 2011 #7
Thumb_222137_198555660188035_100001008078868_524335_5765611_n dhirendra singh India 633 posts in this forum Offline

Muad dheeb wrote:
because I see awareness , and in awareness for me as I experienced it : all is equivalent..

True, Dan, inner is outer.

I don't know

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Tue, 16 Aug 2011 #8
Thumb_p3161093 Ern Jacoby Luxembourg 1 post in this forum Offline

Muad dheeb wrote:
"No! No! Techniques--transformation--no--rubbish! One must destroy--destroy . . . everything!" Fleetingly a thought crossed my mind: how easily such a man can be misunderstood, misinterpreted! I wanted to understand--I knew that he wanted me to understand, but how to ask--that was the question. "But what do you do?" I repeated.

And he repeated: "Nothing--I am only a religious man."

Thanks for this dialogue between Laura und K. To do nothing and even negating this wonderful message: No.No. an No!!!

wisdom is a pathless way

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Tue, 16 Aug 2011 #9
Thumb_deleted_user_med Muad dhib Ireland 40 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Ern Jacoby wrote:
Thanks for this dialogue between Laura und K. To do nothing and even negating this wonderful message: No.No. an No!!!

No bother !

Dan.....

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