Some of you might be interested in the following book project:
The Order of Thought.

The book is likely to be published in the first half of 2012.

www.theorderofthought.com

Dear Peter,

Best luck with the book. To my taste the questions are posed too abstractly and there are too many points covered, which seems to lead to over-condensation or, can I say, intellectual super-saturation.

There is also too much reverence to the academic habit of not stating things frankly, but tendentiously. So it is with the phrase, "a possible new insight." Because, frankly, one has to ask whether the author of that phrase has actually had an insight but is embarrassed to admit it for fear of academic disapproval or false modesty, or whether s/he has had no such insight but lives in hope that the reader may be sufficiently inspired to have one.

But these may all be limitations imposed on an author trying to get published or trying to get that beloved PhD.

Obviously there is a great deal of work and interest behind the study and it shows a dilligent and sharp mind at work, which is all for the good. I see that Bohm, Shedrake and others are introduced and considered. But this rolling out of the familiar names may not be entirely beneficial. The idea of the 'holon' has been already well exploited by Ken Wilber and is at best a repetition of Greek philosophic ideas of the 'atom,' being any body whose meaning is indivisible - so a star is also an atom. The whole is the whole, after all. Actually Gurdjieff also played with such ideas but used the word 'hydrogen' instead of atom or holon.

I found the oputline an interesting rehearsal of a particular current field but I doubt there is much new there. I may be wrong. I want to see things published that blast people out of their comfort zones. Will this book do that?

By the way, Friedrich Engels already wrote in 1842 that the social order (capitalism) was limited order within overall disorder, rationality within anarchy. The contention in the book that the order of thought is set within a general disorder is not an insight but a commonplace. The current economic crisis is only a replay of Hollywood themes.

What are you waiting for?

This post was last updated by Paul Davidson (account deleted) Sun, 21 Aug 2011.

Dear Paul,

thank you for your post.

Your comments are considerate, though in places somewhat off the mark. For example, I am not suggesting, let alone assert it anywhere in the book, on the website, etc. that 'the order of thought is set within a general disorder'. As a result I am not sure where you got this notion that 'The contention in the book [is] that the order of thought is set within a general disorder'. There is clearly a misunderstanding there. Now I am genuinely thankful for your comments, however I would like to make sure that the ideas of the book are not misrepresented at this stage.

As a brief point, neither would I regard the holon as 'a repetition of the idea of the 'atom'', 'any body whose meaning is indivisible' - far from it.

Maybe we will have the opportunity one day to discuss these matters more. For the time being, and I hope you won't mind, unfortunately I haven't the time to write extensively on these forums.

In any case, thank you once again for commenting.

www.theorderofthought.com

This post was last updated by Peter Kajtar Mon, 22 Aug 2011.

Peter Kajtar wrote:
Some of you might be interested in the following book project:

Of all that was of old and of all that is new, of all that
rises from the soul and all that seeks expression they are the
impellers. They stand in the upper and the lower and the middle
heaven; they have descended from the highest supreme. They are
born of the Truth; they are luminous leaders of the mind; they
shall drink the sweet wine of delight and give us the supreme
inspirations. TheWoman, the Divine is with them who shall put
away from us hurt and thirst and desire and refashion man’s
mind in the form of the godhead. Lo, these are knowers of the
Truth, seers whom the Truth inspires, vast in expression, vast in
diffusion, young for ever and immortal.

From A Hymn of the Thought-Gods The secrets of veda by sri Aurobindo.

good luck with the work.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

This post was last updated by ganesan balachandran Wed, 24 Aug 2011.

Update: the work on the book is ongoing and the website has seen some improvements in the past months. Please do visit if your time allows: comments, too, are welcome.

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"Any present or further investigations into thought, which may include or refer to what Krishnamurti had to say about it and the human condi­tion, is neither necessarily an attempt to add to Krishnamurti’s work, nor an attempt to try to interpret it. All that would betray — in particular in view of his own statements on the matter — lack of understanding and logical inconsistency. Instead we could, and maybe need to approach this matter as follows.

Faraday discovered electricity, but that it was him that discovered it doesn’t really matter: It is likely that someone else would have made the discovery otherwise. Furthermore, no consequent investiga­tions of the phenomenon of electricity, nor any past, present, or future application of it, have changed, or can change the actuality behind electricity itself. Not to mention — and this is a little known fact — that despite all the common uses of it, to this day we don’t know exactly what electricity is.

But the point is this. If we were to put it that Krishnamurti may have "discovered" a new possible source of energy, or ground, or basis for the order of the human mind, then inasmuch as that energy, or ground, or basis, is an actuality, then essentially “it” — in itself, or in its fundamental nature — may in any case be incorruptible."

www.theorderofthought.com

This post was last updated by Peter Kajtar Wed, 08 Feb 2012.

Peter Kajtar wrote:
comments, too, are welcome.

nice work. The 1% research you have to do ,may I request you to consider vedic seers and K like how you considered faraday and K.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK