The sun has gone to bed and so must I....

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Analyzed, yet thoroughly confused - The more I learn, the less I know

This post was last updated by Madhu Sameer (account deleted) Sun, 15 Aug 2010.

Creativity as an expression of the psyche?

Creativity comes with the absence of psyche and then psyche feels it as its expression.
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The Sun in you never sleeps.

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

This post was last updated by ganesan balachandran Sun, 15 Aug 2010.

ganesan balachandran wrote:
Creativity comes with the absence of psyche

This is true. Like love, creativity cannot be owned. It exists and occasionally it touches one. But neither love nor creativity can be cultivated. It flows only when nothing blocks it.

If the psyche/self believes it owns creativity, then it is seriously fooling itself.

Patricia Hemingway wrote:
If the psyche/self believes it owns creativity, then it is seriously fooling itself.

Creative act can never been owned....it is an expression of the universe....of life's longing for itself, as Gibran would say.

Analyzed, yet thoroughly confused - The more I learn, the less I know

This post was last updated by Madhu Sameer (account deleted) Sun, 15 Aug 2010.

Madhu Sameer wrote:
Creative act can never been owned....it is an expression of the universe

Therefore, much less one's children!

ganesan balachandran wrote:
The Sun in you never sleeps.

But you only know it if you are awake

What are you waiting for?

Paul Davidson wrote:
Therefore, much less one's children!

Yes Paul. Did you figure out why you had such a reaction to this comment of mine ?

Your parents must have owned you, perhaps that is why you ran away, as you disclosed before. Perhaps by your above statement you are actually saying "I won't let anyone own me! I want to be free!" But can you accept that I, and others, may not have had such experiences with our parents ? And that we don't own our kids the way your parents tried to own you? So perhaps some of your anger is your own stuff ?

Also, I didn't realize you were British when I talked about India and our independence. My apologies.

See how wounds are unconsciously activated and create havoc? The unconscious contains millions and billions of such wounds. And it contains stuff from collective - that what dreams are made of. And that is why if unconscious became conscious 100%, people would go mad much before that ! (You asked this on another thread!)

Of the two of us, who do you think is really aware of whats going on, and hence "awake" ?

Take care.

Analyzed, yet thoroughly confused - The more I learn, the less I know

This post was last updated by Madhu Sameer (account deleted) Mon, 16 Aug 2010.

Madhu Sameer wrote:
Of the two of us, who do you think is really aware of whats going on, and hence "awake" ?

Madhu, This is a clear case of trying to compare one with another, which seems to imply that you know so much about me you can make such a comparison. But actually it is a case of sheer hubris, Madhu. On what basis could you or I possibly make such a statement about one or the other?

You know nothing of me, Madhu, especially as you seemed to think, and suggested to me, that I would set up my own forum for you, at your request, and ban those who annoyed you. Arrogance and ignorance are so ugly! How could you possibly, as a therapist, have the hubris to tell me about my intimate relationships with my parents, without knowing anything whatsoever about that relationship. It is frightening! Have you no code of ethics and no boundaries?

It is you, Madhu, who has continually bought up the relationship with your mother. I have never mentioned mine and I will not. My personal life is not the subject for your ears, Madhu. So, why do you have to rehearse this supposed adoration and duty? Why do you, Madhu, keep writing about your own role as mother and your mother's role. And you as the good mother and dutiful daughter? What are you hiding from yourself behind that facade, Madhu? You are projecting your own problems on to me. Try reading Harriet Lerner, Dance of Anger.

You have little sense of boundaries, Madhu, which is why you think you can so easily sum up people from a few words, kill them with concepts. You do not have that power, Madhu. Even with all your symbolic knowledge you make mistake after mistake, whether about me, Katy, K and many more. I find it quite shocking that you got your qualification at all and they let you loose to practice. In your own therapy, was it never pointed out to you the signs you display of narcissism?

For your info, K travelled on an Indian passport and his main residence was in India. He not only taught there for seventy years but started six schools. And you, an Indian, never knew that?

As for me, Madhu, no I am not British, or English. I am from immigrant stock. My passport says I am a subject of the Queen of England. I reject such nonsense, utterly. I have no national identification, absolutely.

You have stated that I am imbued with nationalism and that is why I was 'angry with you about the British Raj in India. Perhaps I am a closet-colonialist, eh? Yet I have spenf half my life fighting British Imperialism, Madhu. I stopped because I saw it was the wrong road. I have no identification left with political radicalism of any kind.

It is you who dress in the Indian flag and identify yourself with national independence, so-called. I was calling your attention to that, not defending British rule. Try reading 'Inheritance of Loss.' You are one of the lost, in that sense. You are lost in identifications. Psychologist, good mother, Indian etc etc.

Madhu, you make so many fundamental mistakes, including factual and analytical, that I distrust you, wholly. You haver made a mistake coming on to this site and you are clearly wasting your time and everybody else's remaining here. Dev has told you this but you hang about for what? Closure??

I am not angry with you, Madhu, your words never touched on any emotion. But I do now find you a little frightening. 'Depth psychology' at its shallowest! When you do leave, do you think you will have left an echo here?

I cannot help you further.

What are you waiting for?

This post was last updated by Paul Davidson (account deleted) Mon, 16 Aug 2010.

Ah Paul. I can see I did hit a very active complex....your fright is valid...my words bring out reality and make you lose control...

This isnt about me, you're deflecting the lights away from your comment about children...

The fact that you reacted so strongly to a simple comment talks about the fact that you have a complex. And the fact that you see me as all this - is more a projection than a reality. Look within - the narcissism lies there. whether I have it or not is irrelevant and should not concern you. The lack of tolerance, compassion and diversity embodies in you and many others here...THAT is a breeding ground for narcissism....

I hung out to point out the same.

Again whether I have it or not is irrelevant. What is more relevant to your growth is that you look at what reaction you got out of a simple comment on children and childhood, and how my being a mother affects you.....and know that I can take care of my own stuff...

Did you have an illusion that you could help me? [smile]

PS: I love my Indianness....I love the mothering she provides me with...and the role modelling, and the wisdom...and she's not aggressive and intrusive.....and I long to return to her arms...you hate that "nationalism" in me because, as you say, you hate the past of your own country and assume all are the same, and your hate your past relationship with aggressive nationalism. So you continue to "see" that aggression in me even though it isn't there. All this has nothing to do with me, you're reacting out of your disgust with your past.....your own "character" that was...you still hate that Paul who seems to exist no more, but you carry the memories of him being alive, always trying to suppress that....what does it have to do with my Indianness and my feelings for my country - I fail to see ? They're your projection of yourself and your past on me...and everyone who has the audacity to "love their mother!"

Analyzed, yet thoroughly confused - The more I learn, the less I know

This post was last updated by Madhu Sameer (account deleted) Mon, 16 Aug 2010.

Paul Davidson wrote:
Therefore, much less one's children!

Absolutely right - one does not own one's children.

Madhu Sameer wrote:
Ah Paul. I can see I did hit a very active complex....your fright is valid...my words bring out reality and make you lose control...
This isnt about me, you're deflecting the lights away from your comment about children...The fact that you reacted so strongly to a simple comment talks about the fact that you have a complex.

Madhu, I read so far and I choose not to go further.

You think you have the power and perception to say that I have an active complex and that you have hit it. You think and state that what I wrote was a strong reaction and that I lost control. Madhu, if you were actually present here you might see that I am perfectly calm. You claim that which you do not know, once more.

My comment on children was in answer to your comment that, although you are not a violent person you would kill for your children. (You called them kids, if I remember.) This is what the Israelis say they are doing and also the Palestinians. They are all dying and killing for their kids . . . and it is killing their children!

I have had no strong reactions to anything you have said, Madhu. It is difficult, nigh impossible to read tone in an email message or on-line posting. One may assume one hears the other's tone but one should doubt one's assumptions and do the apparently unimaginable, ask!

But, please do not address postings to me any more for I value my time too much to read them. It is up to you, of course.

What are you waiting for?

This post was last updated by Paul Davidson (account deleted) Mon, 16 Aug 2010.

We are creativity.

:-)

I don't know. It seems to be some kind of uncultivatable energy basically unrelated to art, music, literature and so on. When you are seized with this energy you may write or paint or create music, but I do not think those are creative things, merely by-products of this energy. They are born out of what we know; it's as if this crazy nameless energy comes in and all it has to work on is our accumulated information; we are seized by it and it's exciting and we write beautiful verses or paint pictures with great clarity or sing with abandon. "Creative" suggests bringing something out of nothing, but to paint or write you are relying on the past, on knowledge. But the energy has no past or knowledge, it's like a bolt of lightning. So I think you can have that energy washing dishes, fixing a car, walking down the road; that same creative energy that drives us to "create" works of art, that intense, unique feeling; it doesn't need to satiate itself in the creation of a text or an image.

Creativity is also abused a lot these days, used to feed the "self", eg. I wrote this book or painted a masterpiece, aren't I great? And so we often have creative pursuits merely to assuage our terror, hoping for commendations and praise to evacuate the fear of death.

It's interesting but I don't know much about it right now.

Hi Alanna

Nice to see you.

I guess whole universe is act of creativity.

A plant or a bird or a planet.. all are marvelous creations.

So the creations through human, all marvelous discoveries, science, engineering etc.When creativity act; it put the ego aside, nothing can stop to act creativity, and it can act any where and everywhere.

It has no individuality and separation, so can't be biased, and can't be owned.

I don't know

This post was last updated by dhirendra singh Sun, 16 Jan 2011.

dhirendra singh wrote:
I guess whole universe is act of creativity.

"Existence is awareness. Deny existence itself. Then, can there be awareness? Thus existence implies awareness"

" Existence is called Siva, Awareness is called Shakti. Siva is therefore called Sthanu-unmoving."

Mr Ravi, give us the reference which is intentionally left out but the quotes were not deleted.

Regards
Sunyata

Understanding Sri Chakra Puja-13

Ravi Seth wrote:
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Regards
Sunyata

sunyata sunyata wrote:
At the end of dance, the king of dancers, "Siva" beat on his "Drum" 14 times (9+5). The king of dancers is "erotic" in 9 worlds below and an ascetic in the 5 worlds above.

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