A smiling, loving, caring affectionate face give you a big boost, great pleasure.You call it friendship, sometime love.Life fly and you don't search for meaning of life, you don't feel need of any motto for life, you don't feel need of god or enlightenment.

You are a happy person, every problem look so minor to you.But soon second part of story may bring the end of your happy days.

That face is no more smiling, caring and affectionate.Now you are lost.You investigate, you ask question, you search reasons, but you never get a satisfactory cause.

You have no way, you let them be as they want to be.

And you are left with burning flame of affection, probably for whole life.

It happens to some homo sapiens.

I don't know

dhirendra singh wrote:
A smiling, loving, caring affectionate face give you a big boost, great pleasure.You call it friendship, sometime love.Life fly and you don't search for meaning of life, you don't feel need of any motto for life, you don't feel need of god or enlightenment.
You are a happy person, every problem look so minor to you.

Dhirendra,

External factors (that smiling, caring, affectionate face) are responsible for the happiness of the hero of your post.

dhirendra singh wrote:
But soon second part of story may bring the end of your happy days.

This was inevitable. One can not depend on external factors for dynamic state of happiness.

dhirendra singh wrote:
That face is no more smiling, caring and affectionate.

Like everything else in this world, the nature of the other person changes.

dhirendra singh wrote:
Now you are lost.You investigate, you ask question, you search reasons, but you never get a satisfactory cause.

It is not difficult to see that 'you' (the hero) are also changing. What the heart has lost, the intellect is trying to understand and regain. This is an exercise in futility.

dhirendra singh wrote:
You have no way, you let them be as they want to be.

Opposite of love is not hate, but this indifference, Dhirendra.

dhirendra singh wrote:
And you are left with burning flame of affection, probably for whole life

This is pure speculatin in my eyes. The hero in your post does not deserve this, my friend.

dhirendra singh wrote:
It happens to some homo sapiens

Can you guess the question that I want to ask here, but not going to, Dhirendra?:)

FLOW WITH LIFE!

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
Can you guess the question that I want to ask here, but not going to, Dhirendra?:)

Hi sudhir

Well,But my guess may be wrong.

Thank you for your comment.

I don't know

Self/ego/centre is suffering.But what can you do?

I don't know

The Trouble With The World Is That,
The Stupids Are Full Of Confidence
And
The Intelligents Are Full Of Doubts.
(SHAKESPEARE)

I don't know

:)

dhirendra singh wrote:
Self/ego/centre is suffering.But what can you do?

hello dhirendra...

nothing to do is what I say to this , to get this point cannot be through clever words and explanations....it is precisely the doing which I find to be the problem..all the writing I do for my essay ends up into that direction.....so far !
the "doing" does not pay attention to the whole world and universe, it pays attention to itself..only, even when talking about whatever...

all this is quite simple indeed , well could be simple....I guess..

If kinfonet don't get rid of trolls ,willing to destroy , I will leave very soon...K mention the need to act too.

Mohad Dib wrote:
all this is quite simple indeed , well could be simple....I guess..

Hi Daniel

It is simple, simple raw pain in this case. Without planning to manage pleasure, to avoid pain, you feel both of them intensely.

It is clear that both are two forms of one thing, pleasure and pain, you can't separate them.

At the moment I don't want to understand the life, to solve the problem of life, it is as it is.

Take care.

I don't know

dhirendra singh wrote:
pleasure and pain, you can't separate them.

Hi dhirendra.....good to talk to you..I agree with you here..

it seems to me those days that it is mainly the question to learn not to jump right away to personal solutions , which I now see as attempts to ignore the problem .
This may mean too that here we act from the secret goal to live a life without problems and full of personal solutions only...this is a goal in conflict with truth...what is/what should be...

But for me now and so far it is more question to let any problem tells what it has to say...
what is a problem for me ? it is something which hurts or/and does not work....like War works pretty well but hurts.....=problem...

Man wants peace without knowing all about how war is born in the brain in first place...5000 years of war , 5000 years of being caught only in solutions.

The animal ego brain , because it is superficially accessible ( it has to be that way for immediate vital and practical reactions program to function ), is the first on the ball....it is not concerned with problems but with solutions...the all point is to get the awareness of this, if we don't get the point we have some affliction , pain and so on...to force us to look at all that.

See I am not trying to understand life either , I am working on my affliction out of no choice ,so I now come across to let it say what it has to say...because "I" is only concerned with its solutions.....that its functioning which wants that like its child the computer..

It is just doing what it knows and can , nothing less , nothing more...it is limited, and this may be a problem when it comes to a wholly life.
I need to be more personal now : I recently went deeply into affliction , mainly because no more entertainment was functioning any more as a good enough escape.
Affliction I solve somehow, then another one is at me , and I solve it ..what I mean by solved is : I saw the origin which creates the affliction..this seing acts on its own will..

I have lived 2 years in hell of pain 25 years ago solved with a vivid dream , always the same "process " : the seing of the origin of the affliction wiped away the pain, so that was the beginning of some involuntary understanding and now I recently get the same heavy pain .
(wait here, I know that analyses can't work here(some other time too long)

This time I have learnt a few things and a problem may be solved quite swiftly sometimes, sometimes not , sometimes in minutes and each time it says the exact same thing : don't be concerned with running away, solutions , ideas , analysing and so on ..
this : " don't be concerned.... " stop the avoidance of the problem which is immediately seen then solved .
it is just wiped away or a solution is perceived instantly, it comes by itself out of the blue .
it is the precise moment when everything is radically changed...one pain is gone , relief is there then I realise that the "me" has nothing to act on in here , and shall let the problem speaks for itself ..WHY ? I have no clue at all !

I don't have to leave this analytical process functioning on its own random will.
It is THE problem because of its set up program which was first designated for practical matters mainly if not only..under the guidance of "something else "......I here refer to the part of the essay I send over to you , when some "other " part or function of the brain turned themselves on.

But ,this is very difficult , in the sense that when the ego protective mental wall to feel safe and secure is destroyed , it is not possible to rebuilt it because it means that the trick of the wall had been seen so it won't work any more.(the wall is made of layers of bricks like :pleasure,goals,cravings, reaching ,accumulation , legal or not drugs, business, power, arrogance, religion, entertainment and so on)

Then there is immediate pain to immediate wrong thinking.(why and how it works this way ? again I don't know )..
Then the new situation arises which is not always caught in personal binary yes/no choice , but is the awareness of all events , where big or small does not matter .
As soon as the self seeks a shelter ,something which is going to last :bingo !! back to the pain..
Basically each time animal brain leads the dance there is immediately pain ( some or most of them are not even perceived as they are mixed up with pleasure or goals, or anything really)..all this movement seems to accelerate...more pain but they are solved..this is new...

I have time now with no discontentment , no pleasure either , no achievement..and so on...peace is there uninvited and this I mean it.

it leaves me so far the general impression that , our mechanical activity is a problem itself when it is free to act as it want so is a randomly functioning...war or slavery, or no war ,business ,or whatever are then just the unpredictable and randomly choices made by this insane animal brain...for this brain they are all equivalent, all solutions .

I feel some goodness then after having solved a problem , its in the package.

I have had deep peace out of the blue, not the huge bliss I mention in my essay , but there is a little taste of it....so I like this time ,I have found some care in it , which is care for life..it is not personal in the sense divided like : me the good and the world..it is open to the world , which is seen on the verge of the worse to eventually come.
I may think I have reach of course ,then right away pain is at me....I have found a free teacher ...well I did not get any bill yet...you never know.

There is then a "special moment" , when all is wiped away instantly ,it occurred as I write so I try to say more : pain is produced by any craving to reach( I want/I reject ) by reaction to a problem I want to avoid , it is the analytical point of view following a reaction to something I want or reject...

This analytical process craves for a result as an inevitable compulsory aspect of its program , a personal result which is then the only thing which exists in the all universe....and it has to be achieved ...
Take the neo con program to enslave the planet , they only see their insane goal ,nothing else,so war is just a mean then.

When a goal is not achieved, let say the goal is false , the ego/animal brain cries and drowns into affliction as a way to make it happen miraculously....this ego is NUTS and stupid! it has no intelligence but random capacities to be used by ??? something else...

Well , all that has nothing to see with any expectations I could have had...and I can't say more than what I know .

One thing for sure, each time I fell confident or I feel I know for sure or I am the man who knows and so on at this level , the teacher reminds me it is the wrong way and gives the warning that one more time I do something wrong...

All that is not at all what I could have expected...
In a way not to have choice is great....
Of course I can imagine that behind all that is the invisible hand of the universe..it may be true of course , but so far this remain a guess not something I know...

take care of you too....

If kinfonet don't get rid of trolls ,willing to destroy , I will leave very soon...K mention the need to act too.

Mohad Dib wrote:
One thing for sure, each time I fell confident or I feel I know for sure or I am the man who knows and so on at this level , the teacher reminds me it is the wrong way and gives the warning that one more time I do something wrong...

Hi Daniel

I agree, no assurance.

The real thing is simple, don't need heavy explanation, by spraying petrol I can't stop fire, by my interference I can't stop suffering.

No judging,no comparison, only your absence is presence of beauty.

Pain, pleasure, desire, hurt..in your absence they lose personality, they are not personal then.

I don't know

dhirendra singh wrote:
I agree, no assurance.
The real thing is simple, don't need heavy explanation, by spraying petrol I can't stop fire, by my interference I can't stop suffering.
No judging,no comparison, only your absence is presence of beauty.
Pain, pleasure, desire, hurt..in your absence they lose personality, they are not personal then.

yes dhirendra.....no heavy explanation....

If kinfonet don't get rid of trolls ,willing to destroy , I will leave very soon...K mention the need to act too.

Mohad Dib wrote:
yes dhirendra.....no heavy explanation....

:) But when you speak, then it is description of what is, not explanation....

I don't know

dhirendra singh wrote:
:) But when you speak, then it is description of what is, not explanation...

hi dhirendra !

:) :) :).......

If kinfonet don't get rid of trolls ,willing to destroy , I will leave very soon...K mention the need to act too.

dhirendra singh wrote:
This poor suffering hero is an ordinary conditioned guy, so his speculation is valid.

She did not quarrel with me or get angry;she was kind to my friends and to me. because of a losing throw of the dice I have driven away a devoted wife.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

ganesan balachandran wrote:
dhirendra singh wrote:
This poor suffering hero is an ordinary conditioned guy, so his speculation is valid.

Hello d! Instead of deleting the post you could have recommended my vedic quote:) i was enjoying the speculation allegorically mentioned as ones wife.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

ganesan balachandran wrote:
Hello d! Instead of deleting the post you could have recommended my vedic quote:) i was enjoying the speculation allegorically mentioned as ones wife. gb

Hi gb

Posting and deleting the post is part of same process, the chattering of mind.

As far as vedic quotes concern, I don't understand them a bit, better if you quote hindi movie songs.Here is an example:

"Agai bhi jaane na tun, pichhe bhi jaane na tun, jo bhi hai bas ek pal hai.." (Sung by Asha)

(A so so Translation: You don't know about future, you don't know about past, Whatever is, is a moment)

Listen it.

I don't know

dhirendra singh wrote:
As far as vedic quotes concern, I don't understand them a bit,

wow! I felt the earlier quote with your comments you would have enjoyed. but it did gave me meaning. thank you. these types of songs you have quoted come and go.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

dhirendra singh wrote:
Sung by Asha

if only if Asha learnt to recite veda, how wonderful
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

HI GB

Vedanta is an another option, instead of veda.

I don't know

dhirendra singh wrote:
Vedanta is an another option, instead of veda.

unlike vedanta, veda is not a system or philosophy, (like JK's teachings). it is the voice of intelligence.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

This post was last updated by ganesan balachandran Thu, 02 Jun 2011.

Just had this idea : our brain has some of the "programs" used by "the ground" like unknown "programs" for us , used for the creation of matter....in fact we never discover anything, the ground just reveal itself in ways we have no clue about.

As we have a very limited view and nearly no global understanding , we may have no clue if it has to be used at all.
In any fields we are quite blind indeed :(
It may be inevitable to have some capacities ,some were not meant to be used , maybe...
this is inevitable when the blinds leads other blinds...and we are all concerned :(

Dan.....

Muad dhib wrote:
this is inevitable when the blinds leads other blinds...and we are all concerned :(

:(

Many blinds are claiming that they have better vision than others.:(

I don't know

Muad dhib wrote:
our brain has some of the "programs" used by "the ground" like unknown "programs" for us

perhaps it may be veda.

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

ganesan balachandran wrote:

Muad dhib wrote:
our brain has some of the "programs" used by "the ground" like unknown "programs" for us

perhaps it may be veda.

hello gb, this I cannot say. I know about a language which could be a universal language we all have , which has no link with our languages , but speaks straight to the wholly mind....again I don't know, but why not?

It is much more "mysterious" than imagination can guess , anyway we remove man from the picture then what ? the ground remains..

Dan.....

Muad dhib wrote:
but speaks straight to the wholly mind....again I don't know, but why not?

I was telling you about vibrations right and you also wanted me to continue. Let me have some more time.It is the voice of the intelligence.

Muad dhib wrote:
It is much more "mysterious" than imagination can guess

That is why K cleared the ground of imaginations.will it not be a mystery if they existed before the universe and can a rational mind accept it.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

This post was last updated by ganesan balachandran Wed, 21 Sep 2011.

ganesan balachandran wrote:
That is why K cleared the ground of imaginations.will it not be a mystery if they existed before the universe and can a rational mind accept it.
gb

rational mind looks at its recorded video mainly and this includes the scenario of the future movies, past to future , imagination brings tools , means, practicality and only that...clearing the mind of imagination therefore seems rather deeply intelligent..

Dan.....

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ganesan balachandran wrote:
I was telling you about vibrations right and you also wanted me to continue. Let me have some more time.It is the voice of the intelligence.

gb I found this about vibration...are you talking about something like that?

Dan.....

Muad dhib wrote:
I know about a language which could be a universal language we all have , which has no link with our languages ,

Hi Dan

Something to add, our basic thinking is also universal, later it translate in a learnt language/words.We all think in one language.

I don't know

dhirendra singh wrote:

Muad dhib wrote:
I know about a language which could be a universal language we all have , which has no link with our languages ,

dhirendra: Hi Dan
Something to add, our basic thinking is also universal, later it translate in a learnt language/words.We all think in one language.

Well dhirendra, it makes sense . All IS already and definitively it is a feeling I have for a long time, which renews itself from time to time, we are just not listening :(....it is so deadly sad isn't ?

Dan.....

The original vibration which created the universe is within each person. I called it Idessa.
The above is from the website you pointed.Indeed the author has come to a conclusion of her own.

Probably the vibrations are excited by vedic hymns. I don't know. i got vibrations through Fritjofcapra who wrote the Tao of physics.But however there are no mention of it there, but JK is acknowledged. if you search for that above author perhaps later he was telling some thing about vibrations. Now iam only with JK mainly and occasionally with Veda. However i want to understand the original through Sanskrit. it is all a
long way to go.All the reality sensed is by vedic mysticism is what i inherently feel.
thank you
gb

The original vibration which created the universe is Veda and it resonates the original vibrations in each person. is what i would like to add.

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

This post was last updated by ganesan balachandran Thu, 22 Sep 2011.