this is why we are really here..i dont know this, lets look at it together.. what is to be free from the mind. i wont think i wont make conclusions, new thinking not old. dont tell me how, dont tell me what to read, or what you believe.no qoutes. just truth.your truth, no jk words...

What do you mean by the mind? The mind is the function of the brain. What you see in the laboratory are brains without the mind. Thought is one of its functions. Do you mean free from thought or all the functions of the brain like perception itself?

yes i want to be free from thought and perception, perception is to attained awareness, my persona is aware.. of that which it has to perceived, to penatrate. my persona is seeing listening only attention. no choice.

This post was last updated by Dionny T Mon, 19 Oct 2009.

One certainly has moments of thought-program being stalled, like, when one is struck by the majesty of a beautiful sight; then the next moment the thought-program is up and running describing the sight. Let?s say you are watching the flight of the eagle in the sky. So you, 'the observer' are watching the flight of the eagle, 'the observed'. You say don't you?
1.) Its is an eagle
2.) It is flying
3.) It is brown in color
What is all that? All that is 'the you', your knowledge, isn't it, which means you, 'the observer', are all what you are describing, 'the observed'. 'The observer' is 'the observed'. Now, if you got the import of that statement, the question then is when 'the observer' is 'the observed' is there observation?

Gokul Gopisetti wrote:
... you, 'the observer', are all what you are describing, 'the observed'. 'The observer' is 'the observed'. Now, if you got the import of that statement, the question then is when 'the observer' is 'the observed' is there observation?

When observation reveals that the observer is the observed, yes.

nick carter wrote:
Now, if you got the import of that statement, the question then is when 'the observer' is 'the observed' is there observation?

As long as an observer exists, the observer is always the obseved, whether the observer is watching a sunset, a tree, a mountain, a river or any other object living or non-living. This is because the obsever is a conditioned entity and there the observation is always partial, never omplete. When the observer is absent, then there is only an oservation which os complete seeing. In that case observer can never be the observed.
Mittar Kumar Khera.

Dionny T wrote:
what is to be free from the mind.

There is only the body not separated by thought from a world in non duality with awareness. The mind is memory and thought is its movement, its existence. The mind is its movement. It's like the wind. If there's no movement, there's no wind.

"See thought arising; watch it. Without that, all else is illusion and becoming."

Dean R. Smith wrote:
Dionny T wrote: what is to be free from the mind.

Can one say that the mind that seeks nothing,including freedom from it's self,is a free mind?

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

Dionny T wrote:
just truth.your truth

What does it mean to be free from my kidneys? I have a mind, for a reason. Just like I have fingernails, for a reason. I understand the proper use of my fingernails. Do I have a deep fundamental understanding of the proper use of the mind?
I don't generally have problems with my elbows, unless I believe them to be the seat of my soul.

what is to be free from the your mind, or from my mind?

maybe, someone have suffering, happiness in his life (or her life). but, when u cant sense the physical world, that is useless. so, i wonder what happen with my mind when itself ending the thought, and nothing affectting me?

it is freedom? it s not fearing from anything. I live in case, and watch the nature revealing itself.

no point character