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Is there something sacred, long lasting in India, in this part of the world?

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Mon, 19 Oct 2009 #1
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 69 posts in this forum Offline

It is one of the two questions which JK posed in the last talk? If it is there what to do with that. Are there anyone preserving it, propagating it? one has to give one's whole mind and heart to preserve if it exists.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

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Wed, 28 Oct 2009 #2
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 69 posts in this forum Offline

I think in the emotional intelligence book in the prelude it goes like this.
A bus driver was taking the tourists and when he comes to various important places he was with involvement explaining and suggesting the importance of those such places.There was a virus of good will preveailed the whole atmosphere.
The silence we feel is it generated by some one or any sacred thing and if it exists, does it exists independently, absolutely. when we meet that silence we can percieve this in others also irrespective of the emotions they carryand also see their emotions dragged to silence. The power of silence,establish the silence.Is that thing exists or created or is it a dead end.

gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

This post was last updated by ganesan balachandran Fri, 30 Oct 2009.

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Thu, 05 Nov 2009 #3
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 69 posts in this forum Offline

Any of you if have noticed in many talks Sri Jk points out the sanskrit chants?
What is the reason behind it?

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

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Mon, 14 Dec 2009 #4
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 69 posts in this forum Offline

DISSCUSSION WITH BUDDHISTS_ 9th November, 1985
K: Is there some thing sacred, something long lasting and not conditioned by commrce? Is there something in India, in this part of the world?

Participant: There is something in this country which is not influenced by external factors.

K: That was not my question. Is there something here which doesnot exist anywher else- not influenced, not corrupted, not made ugly all the circus that goes on in the name of religion?
Is there something already here, for which- if it exists- one has to give one's whole mind, and heart to preserve? you understand Sir....
K; I'm asking a very simple question; don' complicate it.India exploded over the whole of Asia, like Greece exploded over the whole of western culture. I, m not talking about India geographically, but as part of the world. It spread like wild fire. And it had the tremendous energy of something original, something enormous; it had the power to move things. Does that exist here, or is it all in abeyance? does it exist at all now?....
If it is there, why has this part of the world been corrupt, so appaling.
you dont realize what I'm saying.

P:May we sit silently with you?

(K assents)

P: You had started the discussion with the question: What is this thing, and, is there in this country? Is this that thing?

K: ( Nods; then after a long silence).... You understand, Sir? If you can start at that level... Right. That's enough. Let me tell you a joke.
There were three holy men in the Himalayas!- Ten years pass, one of them says,' Oh, what a lovely evening this is!' Another ten years pass and the other man says,' I hope it will rain'. Another ten years pass and the third man says,' I wish you two would be quiet'.

The only thing which has not migrated from this place, only thing which is availble in that prestine form and to which students have to go and approach.....i just leave it to your conclusion. The only thing beyond which no inquiry has not gone furhter from it...

If it is there, why has this part of the world been corrupt, so appaling.

Simple no one is bothered and no one has understood it.

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

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Tue, 15 Dec 2009 #5
Thumb_funny_-_reduced Patricia Hemingway Australia 46 posts in this forum Offline

In the eastern world - especially India - there seems to be a preparedness to acknowledge the immeasurable, and a willingness to just let it be without human interference. In western society/culture, on the other hand, we believe everything can be measured, and should be measured from the limitation of human thought, inflicting terrible interference and damage.

I am familiar with this discussion, and have wondered if this is what K referred to in this part of the particular dialogue.

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Wed, 16 Dec 2009 #6
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 69 posts in this forum Offline

you understand Sir.... K; I'm asking a very simple question; don' complicate it.India exploded over the whole of Asia, like Greece exploded over the whole of western culture.

Patricia Hemingway wrote:
In the eastern world - especially India - there seems to be a preparedness to acknowledge the immeasurable, and a willingness to just let it be without human interference..

what could be the source for it?
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

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Wed, 16 Dec 2009 #7
Thumb_readytoloadup_correction Krishnan Srinivasan Denmark 57 posts in this forum Offline

Patricia Hemingway wrote:
In the eastern world - especially India - there seems to be a preparedness to acknowledge the immeasurable, and a willingness to just let it be without human interference. In western society/culture, on the other hand, we believe everything can be measured, and should be measured from the limitation of human thought, inflicting terrible interference and damage.

Dear Patricia is deftly defining in a way. But what JK meant was the state of non-attachment or detachment to things. Yes in the west there are these: individuality being prominent and promoted, fragmented way of looking at things(not comprehensive/holistic way) and that is worshipped as THE science and FREEWILL to boot!
Only when one is resigned to fatalism(opposed to free will) detachment can exist and the IMMEASURABLE can come to be accepted....There is no question of the SELF having a role there....

Life is like the tamarind fruit bound in its shell

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Fri, 18 Dec 2009 #8
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 69 posts in this forum Offline

shall we negate one by one to find out what JK meant?
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

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Sat, 26 Dec 2009 #9
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 69 posts in this forum Offline

JK said that a place was sacred if it was marked by three characteristics- by the religiosity of the people who lived there, by the pilgrims who came there for the sake of truth, and its ability to sustain life. The Last Talks.x

gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

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