"I am not this"...

It just came to mind that for as long as there is the split between thinker and thought or the observer and the observed, there is no difference between judgements "I am this" or "I am not this", since it is the same split/division/thought producing those statements.

What here is seen to be 'negation of the false', is the realisation (not thought) of the fact that thought in itself, is what intelligence is NOT.

That is what negation of the false is, which is in no separation from realisiation of that which is true.

Does an artist see this? Is this an ability? Is this in actuality, not only in thought? Does visual perception change also?

Only the actua/real can see the whole of anything. not thought which is always limited/symbolic. Yes, visual percpetion does change in the way that there is no waste of energy when looking. The eyes are being cleaned from the past that prevent direct seeing/looking/observation, and the bird crossing the sky, or whatever is observed in this manner, is all there is. Such looking is in itself an Art, the only real art from which all/any truly artistic expression springs from.

Dear minnie,

<pre> Just trying to understand the meaning behind your words.Are you saying that all thought ends negation? Or is it the thinker that ends negation?
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John T wrote:

Dear minnie,

<pre> Just trying to understand the meaning behind your words.Are you saying that all thought ends negation? Or is it the thinker that ends negation?
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dear john,

just trying to understand what you are saying wordwise...:-) Is the wording: thought or thinker ending negation or ending in negation perhaps?

:-)

Dear minnie,

<pre> Just wondering if it is possible to experience the state of negation. As there has to be an experiencer to experience an experience.
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The negation of the experiencer,or the ending of thought which is also the ending of the thinker,leaves one without the ability to experience an experience weither it is negation or not.

John T wrote:

Dear minnie,

<pre> Just wondering if it is possible to experience the state of negation. As there has to be an experiencer to experience an experience.
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The negation of the experiencer,or the ending of thought which is also the ending of the thinker,leaves one without the ability to experience an experience weither it is negation or not.

Laughing...sorry, laughing for some unknown reason...all these words may look/sound so complicated, yet they describe the simplest of all things, pure percpetion. The complications start once thought tries to interfere, 'undertsand' etc.

Yes, clearly not possible to experience the negation/ending of experience...

There is experience only for as long as there is the experiencer which of course are one and the same thing. (thinker and thought)

one did not talk about any 'negation' that could be experienced...if it is, it is clearly not negation of experience, but simply its continuation.

:-)

love

Mina Martini wrote:
It just came to mind that for as long as there is the split between thinker and thought or the observer and the observed, there is no difference between judgements "I am this" or "I am not this", since it is the same split/division/thought producing those statements.

You are right Mina. There is no difference in assertion of being this or not being this.
Yet, there is need to communictate the un-communicable.

The wordless not this.. is... thought seeing its nature.. and... giving up the impossible.

I Am Not This!

Dear minnie,

<pre> Love to hear your laughter.
Laughing at ones self seems to be the first step to freedom from it.
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