Religion demolishes compassion, concentrates wealth and resources in the hands of few, empowers governments, murders dissidents and is judge and jury of all. Religion is humanity?s bitter curse. This is the world we share and if there in truth in JK?s teachings I am that, I am the world. To change that (or is to perceive something different?) the network of the I- Time-Thought dissolves. What emerges? Is it a world without war, division, inequality, slaughter, starvation or is it a person who can live more tranquilly in this insanity?

Zahira Alaskar wrote:
is to perceive something different?

Why would it mean perceiving "something different" rather than perceiving all that is, including what we don't like, without motive or bias?

Zahira Alaskar wrote:
What emerges? ...is it a person who can live more tranquilly in this insanity?

Or is it a person for whom the lack of tranquility does not reinforce desire for 'that-which-is-not' - for that which has been or could or should be? Or is it a person for whom pain and conflict do not cause self-centered behavior? Or a person that sees the nature of following any authority?

Richard, to stay with "what is", to perceive "all that is" without motive or bias could be terrifying challenge in the war zone of this life. It is easy to live in cultures with strong economies and relatively few atrocities with the leisure time to indulge in philosophy about the pros and cons of self-centered behavior. I wanted to know if there is something actually different in this world when the network of I-Time-Though dissolves, or is it different, briefly, for the individual and the world carries on as usual.

Zahira Alaskar wrote:
to stay with "what is", to perceive "all that is" without motive or bias could be terrifying challenge in the war zone of this life.

Yes! That is one of the reasons people resort to religious belief in the first place isn't it? One either looks at and refuses to follow the entity that is terrified, or not. This is not to say this is not a challenge, but so are most things in life, even for philosophers and those not subject to daily atrocities? By that I mean we all lose loved ones, have worries about the future and regrets about the past. In the USA now the economy is not strong. The government is bankrupt and kept going by the Chinese, Russians, Saudis, Japanese and Asian central banks, any and all of whom could stop buying US debt at any moment.

Zahira Alaskar wrote:
I wanted to know if there is something actually different in this world when the network of I-Time-Though dissolves, or is it different, briefly, for the individual and the world carries on as usual.

What do you mean by 'the world'? The literal world of the all life on the planet, or the world in your immediate vicinity and sphere of attention? I doubt Obama will pull the invading troops out of Iraq, Afghanistan or any of the 900 US military bases around the world, or take action to relieve the plight of the people in Somalia, or restore the elected government in Honduras based on the dissolution of self interest by a few individuals. Does that mean there is no possibility for a reduction in psychological division in the world? Does that mean that as more and more people see the danger of continuing the "I-Time-Thought" network, that life, nevertheless, remains locked in division and conflict for every person on Earth?

Would there not be something different in the world if even one person lived without a poisoned psyche?

Richard Kover wrote:
Would there not be something different in the world if even one person lived without a poisoned psyche?

Richard, that is the question!! K pointed out the world condition countless times. He more than anyone (I've ever read) understood the human psyche and its need for change. So the world at large may be minutely affected by the detoxification of a few's collective psyches. And perhaps the individual relational world would change more dramatically.

All this discussions are bringing about more attention and clarity to the issues. I appreciate what all have written.

I want to thank everyone for your views and contributions to this topic. I will be traveling several weeks and not have immediate access to the internet. JK has left us in the hands of the ultimate teacher, ?what is?. I look forward to returning to this forum soon.