Dear all,You may remember the story of how the devil and a friend of his were walking down the street, when they saw ahead of them a man stoop down and pick up something from the ground, look at it, and put it away in his pocket. The friend said to the devil, "What did that man pick up?" ."He picked up a piece of Truth; said the devil". "That is a very bad business for you, then said his friend. "Oh, not at all" the devil replied, "I am going to let him organize it".; After JK I too picked up some truth and my intention also is not to organise it.My search is over, yes with the VEDAS.....One need not follow the tradition or any pattern. Sri Aurobindo's THE SECRET OF VEDAS may be helpful.
Definetely the understanding of JK is essential. You need not know Sanskrit. Just read it. The meaning and the eternality automatically sets in. Here are few quotesfrom Jk and their parallel....
We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. This is the famous gayatrimantra and called the essence of veda.
For the mind to be silent, all its contradictory corners must come together and be fused in the flame of understanding.
(AGNI-the illumined will)
(May this strongest of the Powers and devourer of the destroyers
manifest by his presence the Words and their understanding,
and may they who in their extension are lords
of plenitude brightest in energy pour forth their plenty and
give their impulsion to the thought.)
best wishes
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

This post was last updated by ganesan balachandran Wed, 23 Sep 2009.

Do you not understand, it doesn't matter what great words or great man or woman shows the way, if the brain is alive? Why isn't the brain alive?

Peter Stephens wrote:
Why isn't the brain alive?

Is "why" an important factor? Other than as a piece of information/knowledge, do we see that mind is imprisoned (dead)? Obviously not, otherwise, we would not be asking why.

Oh dear, the clever bunch of replies. What ever happened to inquiry?

I am going to make inquiries not pretend there is widom. The wisdom of the ages, and of the self, which brings us to now, conflict and confusion, is precisely why there needs to be a renewed interest in inquiry.

Peter Stephens wrote:
is precisely why there needs to be a renewed interest in inquiry

Yes , the renewed interest in inquiry only has led me to this conclusion. Either you keep on reading JK or Veda or both and remain immortal. this is the only way.
good luck
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

Peter Stephens wrote:
. What ever happened to inquiry?

What do you imagine enquiry, to be? (another clever response)

Peter Stephens wrote:
there needs to be a renewed interest in inquiry

Is that what is really needed? How can we explore that possibility, without the distortion of self interest? Or maybe we could explore the nature of self interest, and whether or not it distorts? Will we explore endlessly, carrying our last exploration as a guide?

ganesan balachandran wrote:
you have saved me

Aw, shucks, it weren't nothin.....
Please take it all with good humor, sir! ;o)

Do you not see you are not inquiring?

Peter Stephens wrote:
Do you not see you are not inquiring?

Yes, of course. Why would I do that? What do you suppose I shoud be looking for in any such activity?
But you see, the million dollar question is, what are you looking for with such an activity?

Thinking about the topic, and the opening comments, i think it is inquiry that is being lost. I can talk more about that if you like. No million dollars are required.

Peter Stephens wrote:
i think it is inquiry that is being lost.

I think it is enquiry that has not been discovered.

I can't keep up with all this flip flop of ideas. I can't deal with all the duplicity of thought. What do i do? Do i continue operating with thought; with ideas pointing to more ideas; with reality leading me along? No. It is obvious i can't let thought lead me.

What you are calling inquiry is thought. The words are designed to construct a truth.

whence this creation has arisen- perhaps it formed itself, or perhaps it did not- the one who looks down on it, in in the highest heaven, only he knows- or perhaps he does not know..
gb

is this inquiry or conclusion perhaps you may also not know

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

This post was last updated by ganesan balachandran Wed, 23 Sep 2009.

Peter Stephens wrote:
What you are calling inquiry is thought

Inquiry is intensive observation without any motive, the highest inaction, the action of truth...
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

This post was last updated by ganesan balachandran Wed, 23 Sep 2009.

Peter Stephens wrote:
I can't keep up with all this flip flop of ideas.

BUT PEOPLE DO, A LIFE OF FLIP-FLOP.......

What a flip flop of responses.

As a participant i feel allmost all have understood the limitations of thought and the necessity of observing without thought. we discuss on a transcedental plane. Atleast i dropped this post to show something in the same paradigm. What i mean is i didnt exercise my thought on any motive.. how are we to live without thoughts? it came to me that observing what vedas say the thoughts get vanished just after reading Jk thoughts vanish for a short duration. There is a place for thoughts in vedas. vedas contain no dos and donts and one may not be clear as to what it says.. infact JK is extension of Vedas...It is sheer luck that i could find the extension of JK in vedas or extension of vedas in Jk. regards
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

Good points, David, and also final. Reminds me of those ancient books, wherever you open them, they have something meaningful. In fact this is how I read K nowadays, wherever the book opens, if seriously read, there is a vital truth to be seen. It has the advantage to be taken out of the time context, namely there are no mental associations to whatever you knew. And I guess here is the great merit of this Kinfonet site, to allow each of us to share our deepest insights.

from John Raica in one of his postings in experimentor's corner in this forum...
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

I don't apply myself to books to find an ending do I? I apply myself to books to read. No matter what experience I get from that reading, it is an application to books. The query arises because there is an obvious application to books, or some thing, and this is an application like using tradition, religion, politics, everything. . .. I am always picking it up again. The experience is meaningless. It is just a momentary passing between things I pick up again and again. The obvious question is; what is an ending with no beginning? What can I put down and never pick up again?

your own experience, which has become your authority

J. Krishnamurti, Kinfonet Quote of the day, Sep 16, 2009

Where our ancient fathers passed beyond, there everyone who is born follows, each on his own path..
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

Peter Stephens wrote:
It is obvious i can't let thought lead me.

How obvious is it to me? Obvious enough to change my approach to life and living? Or simply obvious enough to allow me, in my own mind, to seek the next step?

Peter Stephens wrote:
What a flip flop of responses.

Sorry, I accidentally pressed caps lock, and had to leave before I could coreect it.
Now, what were we discussing?

Randal Shacklett wrote:
How obvious is it to me? Obvious enough to change my approach to life and living? Or simply obvious enough to allow me, in my own mind, to seek the next step?

it is as good as the fundamental as

A. Enjoy giving alms

B. Controllable thing is anger

C. Never stop learning

D. Don't prevent charity (Always be charitable)

E. Avoid injurious words

F. Don't give up persevering

G. Don't despise learning

H. Accepting alms is despicable

I. Eat after donating (to the needy)

J. Act virtuously

K. Don't give up reading (scriptures,JK)

L. Don't carry tales

....XYZ

The above fundamentals are from an ancient women called as Awaiyar.
But the next step is, It seems to me, that is what we need - a different kind of energy, a passion which is not mere stimulation, which does not depend on, which is not put together by, thought.

gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK