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Sun, 14 Jun 2009 #1
Thumb_deleted_user_med Randal Shacklett United States 263 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

What is it? Where does K talk about the importance of promoting it?

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Sun, 14 Jun 2009 #2
Thumb_deleted_user_med Katy Pompilis United Kingdom 2 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Hi Randal,

Is not 'diversity' inextricably linked to individual freedom?

I haven't read anything directly by Krishnamurti under this title, either, but I haven't read everything!

Regards,

Katy

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Sun, 14 Jun 2009 #3
Thumb_deleted_user_med Dappling Light India 13 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Randal, I do not remember Krishnamurti promoting diversity. That would be a joke.

We are looking at facts in light of K's teachings. And, the word significance is different from importance. One is a fact, the other is a judgement. Let us look at facts, all facts related to this serious issue that has caused wars and destruction. I find diversity is applied to non-caucasians in US. It is so untrue. Diversity includes caucasians as well.

Division is real. Biological diversity is a fact, is it not? Man, woman, black, white, brown, yellow, tanned.
But why go beyond the biological and enter the dimension of caste, creed, religion, state, ideology? Are they real or man-made? Man-made is it not? Anything that is developed on the basis of opinion has to go. We either worship it or destroy it.

Do you see the actuality without distortion?

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

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Mon, 15 Jun 2009 #4
Thumb_deleted_user_med Randal Shacklett United States 263 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Of course, it is quite obvious to even the casual observer.
And I also take very seriously these subjects of enquiry.
Well Keshni, I am glad you saw the irony of my question.
Of course my whole point is, that the information network that is graciously hosting this discussion and you yourself have stated that "diversity" is something to be accomodated and even promoted. But why on earth do we have to go back to the obvious physical/biological differences?
Isn't diversty in the phychological sense, just another name for self promotion/expression? This is what I'm trying to find out here.

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Mon, 15 Jun 2009 #5
Thumb_deleted_user_med Randal Shacklett United States 263 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Katy Pompilis wrote:

Hi Randal,

Is not 'diversity' inextricably linked to individual freedom?

I haven't read anything directly by Krishnamurti under this title, either, but I haven't read everything!

Regards,

Katy


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Mon, 15 Jun 2009 #6
Thumb_deleted_user_med Randal Shacklett United States 263 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Oops, hee-hee....(got lost in the maze)
Well Katy my only response would be, Isn't "individual freedom", just another name for self-expression/promotion?
The same with "diversity"? And from what I can see, rampant self-expression/promotion, often makes for difficult relationship, of any kind.

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Mon, 15 Jun 2009 #7
Thumb_deleted_user_med Dappling Light India 13 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Randal Shacklett wrote:
But why on earth do we have to go back to the obvious physical/biological differences? Isn't diversty in the phychological sense

Sir, only biological diversity needs to be promoted. Please do not promote psychological diversities, as they result in division and wars.

One more thing. Language is a barrier which I forgot to mention. People in Europe and India and across the world divide and identify themselves with language. (French, Hindi, Mandarin) etc.

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

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Mon, 15 Jun 2009 #8
Thumb_deleted_user_med Randal Shacklett United States 263 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Yes, I have seen this phenomenon. They wave flags and pray to differing God's also. The world is a mess of divisions. that single phenomenon is the cause of all the worlds psychological suffering. Again, what is the necessity of propmoting that you are taller than me? That my feet are bigger than yours, etc.? ;o)

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Mon, 15 Jun 2009 #9
Thumb_deleted_user_med Dappling Light India 13 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Sir, You started the word "promoting".

I mean, recognizing the difference, being aware..without prejudice or reaction.

Africans are the oldest race on earth and denote strength and adaptability to harsh conditions. Caucasians made most of the remarkable scientific discoveries and inventions and built the first developed societies. China and India sparked spiritual awakening. These are verifiable facts sir.

Christians killed the most people so far sir. This is also a verifiable fact, and K did mention it at a UN meeting.

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

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Mon, 15 Jun 2009 #10
Thumb_deleted_user_med Randal Shacklett United States 263 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Yes, I know all that. It is history. It's in the books, of history.
All the killing and divisions and speeches. Yes, I know. So, where are we?

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Mon, 15 Jun 2009 #11
Thumb_deleted_user_med Dappling Light India 13 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

That's all sir. (I am done with "Diversity" actually).

I also request you to write some Commentaries on Living, if you will, in my forum Insights, as we would like to find out diverse experiences that point to the same truth.

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

This post was last updated by Dappling Light (account deleted) Mon, 15 Jun 2009.

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Mon, 15 Jun 2009 #12
Thumb_deleted_user_med Randal Shacklett United States 263 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

I will do so, thank you. However, I would only point out that experience(knowledge)is a blockage to seeing something clear. ;o)

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Mon, 15 Jun 2009 #13
Thumb_deleted_user_med Katy Pompilis United Kingdom 2 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Randal Shacklett wrote:
Isn't "individual freedom", just another name for self-expression/promotion? The same with "diversity"?

I think the intention might be the same..

"Until the colour of a man's skin is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes there's going to be war" (Bob Marley)

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Mon, 15 Jun 2009 #14
Thumb_deleted_user_med Randal Shacklett United States 263 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

"excuse me while I light my spliff", Bob Marley.
Regards, ;o)

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