Dear Everyone,
Kinfonet forum is doing yeomen service by not only keeping K - resources openly available to all members but also by providing the facility to interact with each other through messaging and discussion forums.

We all know, mutual interactions can be easy when we have understand the views of other members. An easy and convenient way to understand each other is by reading the answers furnished by them in the Kinfonet interview section. In fact it reduces the labor of introduction to a large extent.

However, when some people don't furnish their answers to all or even some questions, they are indirectly preventing others of the opportunity to understand them. So personally I request all those who haven't answered the questions to do so at their earliest. I felt all questions are very simple and every one can easily answer. Besides, it is editable, when you feel like altering the answers, you can easily do so too. Please don't mistake me for writing this, considering it as the work of the site administrators.
Warmly,
Prasanna

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Because, there wasn't any reply, I thought I should give one to highlight the importance of such an interview.

No replies even with fifteen views in a day after opening the topic. Perhaps viewers didn't want to comment, as it didn't appear to be a hot topic. I can narrate my personal observations, though it may not be accurate.

Reading the interview answers of all members is definitely an extra ordinary privilege given by the Kinfonet team. It gives an insight into the minds of the members. Of course, most members haven't answered. Even among those who have answered, may not have given some thought before answering. Some of the answers appear to be contradicting the answer to another question. Lastly, some may even be hesitant to answer frankly as they feel.

Still, I look forward to every one to give at least one line comment on this.

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The Kinfonet interview is visible but not all the profile details of the person and that makes it difficult to have a contextual clue to what they are saying in the interview. some, I know are physics expert, someone is neurologically oriented and You Prasanna, is Psychologist--- so if one knows the background of the person it may help interact in a suitable manner.Of course, there is always the impediment to communicate through the language here English. I find some persons thoughts are not clearly understood by me, I ascribe to my lack of appreciation of their expressions-The interview itself gives some clue to who the person is in relation to J.K`s teachings.The same problem exists in the forum threads. I notice some are joyful,youthful, optimistic, others more skeptical,out of tune, all the normal human variations.That is allright.More background of the person if made visible, interactions and communications may be enhanced in quality.

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Prasanna P wrote:
Kinfonet forum is doing yeomen service by not only keeping K - resources openly available to all members but also by providing the facility to interact with each other through messaging and discussion forums.

Dear Prasanna,

Who am I to say? Anyway I'll say what I have to say.

1) Is there an authority (considering it as the work of the site administrators.) & the compensating by the members adherence to finishing and answering their interview questions?

Prasanna P wrote:
We all know, mutual interactions can be easy when we have understand the views of other members. An easy and convenient way to understand each other is by reading the answers furnished by them in the Kinfonet interview section. In fact it reduces the labor of introduction to a large extent.
2) Do we want facility and easiness to understand others or should we understand oneself and share what we understand?
3) I do not think we are in a debating forum or society.

Prasanna P wrote:
An easy and convenient way to understand each other is by reading the answers furnished by them in the Kinfonet interview

Convenient for who? You?

Prasanna P wrote:
However, when some people don't furnish their answers to all or even some questions, they are indirectly preventing others of the opportunity to understand them.

Are you representing all the other members of this Forum?

Seriously, I went through your Interview questions' answers. It doesn't help understand you at all. I don not want to understand your point of view. otherwise it will become a debate. who convince who. nonesense for me
you replied 3 times "YES" It doesn't mean anything.
You used the word "CONCEPT" twice. I can only ask why do you reduce all K's work to a concept? Please do not mistake my comments.

Prasanna P wrote:
We all know, mutual interactions can be easy when we have understand the views of other members. An easy and convenient way to understand each other is by reading the answers furnished by them in the Kinfonet interview section. In fact it reduces the labor of introduction to a large extent.

Sorry I must correct quotes
Chafia wrote 2) Do we want facility and easiness to understand others or should we understand oneself and share what we understand? 3) I do not think we are in a debating forum or society.

Chafia Abdi wrote:
Convenient for who? You?

Yes, for me and others tool

Are you representing all the other members of this Forum?>

No.

Please do not mistake my comments>

OK

You have given a beautiful answer to the question, which I reproduce below.

Q: What future do you foresee for Krishnamurti's works? Do you think they will grow in importance or will they just gradually die away?

A:I think that human beings came to a dead end. So, what shall we do?
Commit collective suicide?
Or
Drop the ego before destroying completely the human species?
In the first case K's works will die away.
In the second case K's works will be extremely important for the future generations. >

What happens if we continue like present ? Neither committing suicide nor dropping the ego.

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Krishnan Srinivasan wrote:
The Kinfonet interview is visible but not all the profile details of the person and that makes it difficult to have a contextual clue to what they are saying in the interview. some, I know are physics expert, someone is neurologically oriented and You Prasanna, is Psychologist--- so if one knows the background of the person it may help interact in a suitable manner.Of course, there is always the impediment to communicate through the language here English. I find some persons thoughts are not clearly understood by me, I ascribe to my lack of appreciation of their expressions-The interview itself gives some clue to who the person is in relation to J.K`s teachings.The same problem exists in the forum threads. I notice some are joyful,youthful, optimistic, others more skeptical,out of tune, all the normal human variations.That is all right. More background of the person if made visible, interactions and communications may be enhanced in quality.

Yes, Krish. I agree with you. Perhaps the objective of the interview questions haven't been met. If all members are serious, then half of all discussions are already

More background of the person if made visible, interactions and communications may be enhanced in quality.>

It is very true.

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Prasanna P wrote:
What happens if we continue like present ? Neither committing suicide nor dropping the ego.

Not physical suicide is meant here. We are committing suicide anyway. Human beings are trying to live on the Planet Mars in the future.

If you are in a deep coma, go on, continue like present, carry on. A total desintegration suits you?

Chafia Abdi wrote:
If you are in a deep coma, go on, continue like present, carry on. A total desintegration suits you?

Chafia, in deep coma, mankind will be fully asleep. In total awareness mankind will neither create problems, nor will allow problems to remain. But, the present problem of mankind seems to be half-coma. Here mankind is busy trying to solve problems, often multiplying the present ones. What do you say?

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David Kolody wrote:

You are correct Prasanna and it is done. Thank you for pointing this out.

Thanks David. Did you mean that you have answered the interview questions?

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Prasanna P wrote:
in deep coma, mankind will be fully asleep.

When we receive a slap on our face and thus do not wake up, still asleep aren't we in deep coma?

Prasanna P wrote:
Here mankind is busy trying to solve problems, often multiplying the present ones. What do you say?

Like donkeys tied to a post we turn in vicious circles. what can we solve?

Absolute nakedness, we must be stripped from our illusions, delusions, the false support of ideals, fetishes, every kind of crutch, if not we are not awake. Can we break the circle?

Trying to solve problems by multiplying the present ones. Are we insane? What most of us call
"Intelligence" is rather insanity, irrationality.

Chafia Abdi wrote:
When we receive a slap on our face and thus do not wake up, still asleep aren't we in deep coma?

No, Chafia. We seem to be half awake. That is why each slap is returned with two slaps. which is in turn returned with four and so on. World is full of slaps. Isn't it ?

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Prasanna P wrote:
We seem to be half awake. That is why each slap is returned with two slaps. which is in turn returned with four and so on. World is full of slaps. Isn't it ?

Strange!! No? Two people are discussing what is to be awake & what is to be asleep and unable to understand each other. You don't have to be Einstein to understand what I am simply saying?

I am saying : there is no half awake. You are awake or you ARE NOT. We are not awake.
The slap on our face is that : we are sencondhand humans. we are repeating and thinking that we are "intelligent" trying(What a strange word) to do our best to solve problems but in fact we are getting worse & worse. This is the slap.
But seeing that we are irrational in what we are doing we continue. Why are you talking about two slaps returned with four? Is my English so bad that you cannot understand what I want to say? Since we are not aware of the danger we are asleep. It is difficult to stick to facts. isn't it?

Pl wait Chafia for a while. Let us see, what is blocking us. Let others judge.

Is there any one else in this forum, who thinks like me, that mankind is half awake ? All great teachers have said so. I don't remember where exactly, but K also has said that mankind is half awake.

I think, the very assertion that we are asleep indicates that we are not asleep. One who is asleep can't assert even.

At the most, 'half asleep' may not be accurate to some extent. It should be part asleep. And even the sleeping part may be more and dominant over the awakened part, because rationality is not prevailing.

Please give your opinions, so that I may correct myself.

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It is not mysterious. I am not speculating or playing a game. sorry to disturb your certainties.

Prasanna P wrote:
Let others judge

Can't you stay alone and not judge just see that you are not awake?

Prasanna P wrote:
Please give your opinions, so that I may correct myself

You need others' opinions to correct yourself. Oh dear me!! It is appaling. isn't it?

The Collected Works J. Krishnamurti 1962-1963 a psychological Revolution Saanen switzeland 1962

Here below K's quotes if you need the author's authority :

Are we awake during the day? We assume
that we are. Are we awake when we are
caught in habits of thought, in routine
activities and behavior? When you
constantly condemn, compare, judge,
evaluate, or when you think of yourself as
belonging to a particular race,
nationality, culture, or religion, are
we awake? If you are caught in habit
and are therefore not awake during the
day, then sleep is merely a
continuation of that same state of
mind. then it really makes very little
difference whether you are physically
asleep or awake.

Hi you two: Chafia Abdi & Prasnnna P,
Your energetic discussions are going astray from the topic Viz, Kinfonet interview.Today i read avidly the personal description of Mr.Jason Maung Maung of Yangoon, Myanmarr-very fascinating and intimately detailed account of his life and responses.I am impressed. I have become his"follower" on this forum in pure admiration over a life-history that has some pointers for little"me" He has joined today.Go and read him if you have time,.

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Prasanna P wrote:
Pl wait Chafia for a while. Let us see, what is blocking us. Let others judge.

Oh God! I had forgotten this quote. Thanks Chafia, now I stand corrected.

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Krishnan Srinivasan wrote:
I have become his"follower" on this forum in pure admiration over a life-history that has some pointers for little"me".

Thanks Krish, pass on if you get such info.

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Prasanna P wrote:
Is there any one else in this forum, who thinks like me, that mankind is half awake ? All great teachers have said so. I don't remember where exactly, but K also has said that mankind is half awake.

half awake, partly awake, asleep, awake ... it all depends on ones view, on ones conditionning!? on that what you want to say.
it is all in humanity, the fact that you are talking about it, is proving it is all truth for humanity.
that IS humanity, the cumul of all thoughts, cumul of all words, cumul of all acts, cumul of those awake, of those half asleep, of those half awake, of those fully asleep ... and it is all in one and one is in it all.
'i am humanity' , is that a fact for us?

not to be in order to be

maryse vm wrote:
half awake, partly awake, asleep, awake ... it all depends on ones view, on ones conditionning!? on that what you want to say.

My question is simple. Whether views depend on conditioning, or conditioning depends on views ?

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Prasanna P wrote:
My question is simple. Whether views depend on conditioning, or conditioning depends on views ?

Why do you divide thought into conditioning and views? Is a point of view different than conditioning? Would a person have a view if they weren't conditioned? Is it possible to understand thought if you fragment it first? Conditioning and views are all a part of thought.

Conditioning is thought. Is there any thought that is not conditioned?

Conditioning is neither bad nor good. It just is. Without conditioning we couldn't do anything. We couldn't learn a language, drive a car, do our jobs, etc, etc.

There is a psychological aspect of conditioning which keeps mankind divided. This conditioning invents images of the people we know, it invents religions and nationalities and much, much more. This kind of conditioning seperates us from life as it is and leaves us only with life as we think it is based on our knowledge and experience which is memory which is incomplete. Our thought framents life into "them" and "us", Christians and Muslims, Americans and Indians and on and on. We believe these divisions are real but they are only inventions of a fragmented mind. Inventions of thought.

Memory is the past. For example: Do we really see our wives or husbands, friends and relatives as they actually are or do we see them through the vail of conditioning based on our experience and knowledge of the person in question?

If you try to escape or change conditioning you are lost. It may be possible to understand conditioning if we don't expect any results. Stay with the conditioning and watch it without judging, without expectation of a result.

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If I can understand what you have said, it is that whole mankind is various states of awaken-ness. Is that what you want to say ?

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for what i understand, the point is to see conditioning as a whole, knowing when one (re-)acts conditioned, no judgement, no escaping.

up to me, point of view and conditioning are inter-related, one does not go without the other

not to be in order to be

maryse vm wrote:

for what i understand, the point is to see conditioning as a whole, knowing when one (re-)acts conditioned, no judgement, no escaping.

up to me, point of view and conditioning are inter-related, one does not go without the other

You make some good points here. The following is a quote from K that seems pertinent to your view of conditioning.

How do I free myself from my conditioning of the culture in which I was born? First, I must be aware that I am conditioned?not somebody telling me that I am conditioned. You understand the difference? If somebody tells me I am hungry, that?s something different from actually being hungry. So I must be aware of my conditioning, which means, I must be aware of it not only superficially, but at the deeper levels. That is, I must be aware totally. To be so aware means that I am not trying to go beyond the conditioning, not trying to be free of the conditioning. I must see it as it actually is, not bring in another element, such as wanting to be free of it, because that is an escape from actuality. I must be aware. What does that mean? To be aware of my conditioning totally, not partially, means my mind must be highly sensitive, mustn?t it?

The Awakening of Intelligence, p 88

David Loucks wrote:
>"How do I free myself from my conditioning of the culture in which I was born? First, I must be aware that I am conditioned............... To be aware of my conditioning totally, not partially, means my mind must be highly sensitive, mustn?t it? - K"

Who is conditioned and by what ? Obviously, it is the awareness that is conditioned and the conditioner is the knowledge, and the reason is the damage or fragmentation of consciousness.

According to K, first step is to become aware of the conditioning. Obviously, it means that some awareness is free and separate from the conditioned part of awareness.

So, good news is that some part of awareness is still unconditioned or free from conditioning. And that part has to remain aware and also increase its volume, thereby it can't be influenced or swayed by conditioned part.

Further, it means that the awareness has to change or grow up from 'being dominated by knowledge' to 'becoming free from knowledge', which amounts to free usage of knowledge. This is possible only by the observation of the conditioned part by the free part of consciousness.

What may be surprising is that the role of knowledge is very limited both in conditioning and de-conditioning. Though not accurate, a crude example like this may help only in intellectual understanding of conditioning.

The swimmer is the awareness, and knowledge is the pool. The swimmer is conditioned to the habit of swimming. This can't go on for ever as swimming is full of effort. Each time the swimmer comes out of the pool to his effortless state, he feels uncomfortable, because of his fragmented state. So he dives back to the pool to escape from his rest less state.

He doesn't accept he is escaping. If he just stays back to observe his restless, he would get rid of his restlessness. Then he can swim only when he wants and for exercise and joy and that too voluntarily.

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Prasanna, let me make a suggestion. Stop analyzing what K is saying and just do it or not as you wish. But personally I have no interest in getting into a discussion that includes philosophyzing and intellectualizing the thing to death.

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Prasanna P wrote:
Dear Everyone, Kinfonet forum is doing yeomen service by not only keeping K - resources openly available to all members but also by providing the facility to interact with each other through messaging and discussion forums.
We all know, mutual interactions can be easy when we have understand the views of other members.

Dear Prasanna, this is not a serious debate, this is something that belongs in the newcomers and/or feedback thread... JK would never be so careless with language

Health care is everyone's job, not just in treating illness but in promoting healthy living. We must take personal responsibility, engaging our minds and hands in meaningful work - all essential components of healthy, secure lifestyles and communities.

Are you really serious ?

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