sometimes when reading or seeing K I felt that I needed to see him, to see his humaness to see the way his teachings touch his own path. Is K outside of what we call the human experience? Does he do battle with past demons? Is he, like the rest of us, motivated by ego? I'm sure the reply is yes. I somehow felt that I needed to see that more. Is that selfish?

The great sufferer

Ron Ziv wrote:

sometimes when reading or seeing K I felt that I needed to see him, to see his humaness to see the way his teachings touch his own path. Is K outside of what we call the human experience? Does he do battle with past demons? Is he, like the rest of us, motivated by ego? I'm sure the reply is yes. I somehow felt that I needed to see that more. Is that selfish?

Everything you, the self, does is selfish, isn't it?

Ron Ziv wrote:
his teachings touch his own path.

I remember the first book i red from JK, he was talking about me. Here I was in Québec,
K from India, traveling the world, teaching and he knew more about me than I new myself.
For me it was the first time I was touch so deeply.
Don?t you think this is opening the door wide open on collective mind?

True experimenting consists in understanding through our own alert watchfulness,

Hi Ron, K is you and me without the me and you. There is no me and you anyway there is only humanity one whole. This is what he is saying and yes there is no question that K was human. Perhaps a transformed human but human. If you read his biographies you can see that clearly. They all are humans all the sages of all ages, but this still does not change anything. In order to transform you walk this road with no following another.

Life is relationship

I wonder why some of us are curious about Krishnamurti's pesonal life? Is that becouse,we are not sure if we can live diffently? as he showed us, and we seek an example, a guru? Is it too hard to experince? There is joy in experiencing, Not in experienced

honestly

K wasn t motivated by his ego.He had no ego.

Ron Ziv wrote:
sometimes when reading or seeing K I felt that I needed to see him, to see his humaness to see the way his teachings touch his own path. Is K outside of what we call the human experience? Does he do battle with past demons? Is he, like the rest of us, motivated by ego? I'm sure the reply is yes. I somehow felt that I needed to see that more. Is that selfish?

K says when 'you are', the Other is not. He talks about the Other. We don't know what it is. So with our knowledge we can't say who K was.
In emptying our knowledge, maybe, we can.

Freedom from the known is Attention in the Unknown: Krishnamurti J

Ron Ziv wrote:
Is that selfish?

to seek for truth is not selfish.

the superficiality of existence is thriving

Monic Devi wrote:
to seek for truth is not selfish.

Trying to see the truth is not a selfish act. I too feel the same way. In fact, the consciousness is trying to return to its natural or unfragmented state, wherein it sees the truth or what is.

Unless Advanced, K's Teachings May Remain As Ineffective As of Now

Ron Ziv wrote:
sometimes when reading or seeing K I felt that I needed to see him, to see his humaness to see the way his teachings touch his own path.

Anything you really need to get truth is to see yourself, Ron. Anything else is called escaping from yourself; is often used for entertainment.

Ron Ziv wrote:
Is K outside of what we call the human experience?

I think nobody can say where he now is but he is exactly famous for being sometimes completely outside of human experience at his lifetime.

Ron Ziv wrote:
Does he do battle with past demons?

When a man understands the real nature of those ?demons? the ?battle? takes different specific character. It would be not necessary anymore to throw an inkpot at the Devil (like some Christians did) or to make a clatter in the temple (like some others do) to scare him away.

Ron Ziv wrote:
Is he, like the rest of us, motivated by ego? I'm sure the reply is yes.

I have no slightest idea, Ron, what makes you so sure of your statement. To understand that question you certainly had to be at least once in the same state as he was hadn't you?.

Ron Ziv wrote:
I somehow felt that I needed to see that more. Is that selfish?

It could be selfish or could be not. It depends on your goal and kind of approaching to this issue. Generally, it is an extraordinary important question for any individual.

nosce te ipsum

jean-m girard wrote:
Don?t you think this is opening the door wide open on collective mind?

Definitely not.

It is rather an invitation to open individual mind.

nosce te ipsum

karol krska wrote:

K wasn t motivated by his ego.He had no ego.

I would express it different way, karol:

He had understood the nature of his own ego. It is not quite the same as not to have it.

nosce te ipsum

karol krska wrote:
K wasn t motivated by his ego.He had no ego.

since there is no serious debate in K is me, lets debate this:

Does JK have an ego? and if so, is it mine?

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