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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #271
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Ravi Seth wrote:
when the discovery is a shared phenomena where does the question of trust or no trust come from?

People share nationalism...racism..bigotry..class concsiousness..so I am questioning can you trust experience...personal or otherwise?:)

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #272
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
lso know this answer.This is perhaps 104th in the line that all this is"HIS " doing( Lila)

:)

I don't know

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #273
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

RICK LEIN wrote:
.and suddenly I am aware..of falling..and breaking my foot?

who did advice you to , " walking down a delivery ramp out the rear of a store that too in winter" ? Whatever you sow, so shall you reap :-)

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #274
Thumb_deleted_user_med Muad dhib Ireland 175 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Ravi Seth wrote:
Why the hell "I" and conflict are "born" at all.... doesn't matter at the same moment or separately.?

I have to see it Dan. Enough is enough. Otherwise this kind of questioning will not let me take rest ever. I all ready told that after every conceivable answer has been answered the question still persists on and on.

So far they seem to be born at the same time , this is why "I" is conflict and you are bloody right the questioning may never end .

theory: This dividing process is turned on from scratch with the body is my perception out of the blue, for me it is, if there is a why I will leave the question...
It is vital as I am de facto a physical separate entity when born , I am not you even if we share a kind of same mind program . There is separation as a fact. There is some "reality" in this division.

I am living my childhood where "I" can still live within this light conflictual situation and we clearly see that any kid surrounded by the "right" adults will have a "good " childhood , this is clear for me ,but it is not often the case on earth..

Children needs a constant and intelligent caring and attention from the intelligent adult , if it is not the case we see that some are going to take it over and swiftly go bullies, our insane world takes its roots in this childhood brain which is still a divided brain .

the non divided brain concerned our adults life. Should !!

Then what ? 10 000 years later we don't get much of a real "good" change at all , now the human cancer may go too far indeed.

Since I am born I have spend my time in this divided life which was fine as I said, then I say we keep this way until death , yes I say that we remain childlike minded , it was a very slight occasional problem when a child but the intelligent adult would see it and managed , now I am an adult and it is going to be very different . Surrounded by the wrong people everywhere , I have to fit the world which is there..you know this world so I won't describe..

It seems that we stay in this conflictual situation of "ME" all life in fact from birth day ..we could maybe explain more but I won't.

Only when this pain is too much , meaning that my balance pleasure/pain is not right anymore will I only start questioning. ....sorrow reveals the wrong way.....symptom and catalyst it is.
It is a salutary disturbance if we take it as it should be,if not it drives us mad ,we have to go beyond our divided childish brain.....this is my view....so far...

Dan.....

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #275
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

RICK LEIN wrote:
People share nationalism...racism..bigotry..class concsiousness..so I am questioning can you trust experience...personal or otherwise?:)

All these i.e. nationalism...racism..bigotry..class concsiousness are Ideas .I am talking of a discovery!That too together. ( if that suits you but one can do it all alone also sitting in his room )

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #276
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Ravi Seth wrote:
who did advice you to , " walking down a delivery ramp out the rear of a store that too in winter" ?
Well Ravi..I was on auto-pilot lost in thought..and yes indeed I reaped what I sowed!LOL:)

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #277
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Ravi Seth wrote:
.I am talking of a discovery!That too together.

O.K. you start!:)

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #278
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

RICK LEIN wrote:
Ravi Seth wrote:

who did advice you to , " walking down a delivery ramp out the rear of a store that too in winter" ?
Well Ravi..I was on auto-pilot lost in thought..and yes indeed I reaped what I sowed!LOL:)

you still are not out of auto-pilot. You are quoting your own reply.

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #279
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Muad dhib wrote:
Only when this pain is too much , meaning that my balance pleasure/pain is not right anymore will I only start questioning ...sorrow reveals the wrong way....
It is a salutary disturbance , to go beyond our childish brain.....this is my view....so far...

You speak of dissatifaction..one of the four noble truths?:)

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #280
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

Well, any one discovered something?:)

I don't know

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #281
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

RICK LEIN wrote:
O.K. you start!:)

i will join you tomorrow for sure as i am going to have my dinner and go to sleep.Bye. ( it is not an excuse . i am a poor man back from the work and hungry )

Any how it is good beginning even though you are smiling.

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #282
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Ravi Seth wrote:
you still are not out of auto-pilot. You are quoting your own reply.

Bingo! I tried to tell you "I" was hopeless!:)

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #283
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
you still are not out of auto-pilot. You are quoting your own reply.

This is a technical mistake, not an issue at all.:)

I don't know

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #284
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

dhirendra singh wrote:
Well, any one discovered something?:)

wait for tomorrow.have patience.

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #285
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
i will join you tomorrow for sure as i am going to have my dinner and go to sleep.Bye

Sir, so you have no passion to discover,:) LOL

(well it is humour of nonsense, no disregards):)

I don't know

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #286
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

dhirendra singh wrote:
This is a technical mistake, not an issue at all

no body saying otherwise, dear.It was in fun.

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #287
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

dhirendra singh wrote:
Well, any one discovered something?:)

I have discovered I am on auto-pilot !!!! LOL:)

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #288
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
wait for tomorrow.

Well, I understand, I guess your Madam is ordering to have dinner, Wife is ground of the grounds:)LOL

I don't know

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #289
Thumb_deleted_user_med Muad dhib Ireland 175 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

RICK LEIN wrote:
You speak of dissatifaction..one of the four noble truths?:)

I don't know but I am going to check right away...

Dan.....

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #290
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

Well I too follow to Ravi, goodbye to everyone:)

I don't know

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #291
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

dhirendra singh wrote:
Well, any one discovered something?:)

Well..yes D..please allow me to be serious for just one moment...O.K. now back to it! I have discovered that openended questions are not a trap...or a trick..except to self image...I see that prehaps this is what K ment about fundamental questions not having a yes/no answer?:)

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #292
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

dhirendra singh wrote:
Well I too follow to Ravi, goodbye to everyone:)

Dear D..and Ravi..and Dan thank you..it was fun...Peace!:)

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #293
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

RICK LEIN wrote:
I have discovered that openended questions are not a trap...or a trick..except to self image...I see that prehaps this is what K ment about fundamental questions not having a yes/no answer?:)

You are right, it needs full attention to see the question, it needs passion....well you know this all:)

I don't know

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #294
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Ravi Seth wrote:
Any how it is good beginning even though you are smiling.

I am lazy..in takes more muscles and effort to frown...:)

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #295
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

dhirendra singh wrote:
You are right, it needs full attention to see the question, it needs passion....well you know this all:)

The passion for truth..in spite of "Myself"?:0

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Sun, 18 Sep 2011 #296
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

dhirendra singh wrote:
Well, I understand, I guess your Madam is ordering to have dinner, Wife is ground of the grounds:)LOL

Oh well! my ex -wife became a much better cook..when I explained that the smoke alarm was not the food timer! I am not casting aspersions on her cooking ability..but we had so many stove fires..the firefighters built a special unit right next to our house...To save $ on gas..I guess?:)

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #297
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

RICK LEIN wrote:
.but we had so many stove fires..the firefighters built a special unit right next to our house..

Funny, :)..A perfect wife:)

I don't know

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #298
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

So we were talking about reason-able..the ability to reason...one thing it may mean is does it make any sense? Does it work out to be rational..sane...logical..can one apply reasoning to the question?:)

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #299
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

RICK LEIN wrote:
the moment one starts , one is caught.

yet one has to start with no memory and logic.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #300
Thumb_stringio Paul Davidson United Kingdom 3659 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

RICK LEIN wrote:
I have discovered that openended questions are not a trap...or a trick..except to self image

Could you elaborate on that please Rick?

"The ego is first and foremost a body ego." S. Freud

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