Obviously, you're somebody, and from your point of view, nobody matters more because even if you live and die for someone or something not-you, it's still you who chooses to do it. You are the end all and be all of existence because without you nothing exists...except theoretically.

So how on earth can you be the nobody K said you really are? What did he mean? Probably someone can provide the killer K quote that quashes this question.

lidlo lady wrote:
So how on earth can you be the nobody K said you really are

I will most likely be sorry for this,,but..o.k. I'll bite. Non identification with thought ?:)

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

lidlo lady wrote:
So how on earth can you be the nobody K said you really are?

don't think you can be a nobody. As far my understanding goes, K is is referring to an underlying unconditioned reality that is inaccessible through you-ness. You are quite right though, what on earth does this mean in practical terms?

Convictions are prisons.

This post was last updated by Alberto Brandeis Fri, 09 Dec 2011.

lidlo lady wrote:
Obviously, you're somebody, and from your point of view, nobody matters more because even if you live and die for someone or something not-you, it's still you who chooses to do it. You are the end all and be all of existence because without you nothing exists...except theoretically

From your own stand point of one being some body, aren't you still look out for someone else to recognise you as "some body"?

If "some body" can stay as "some body" without someone else recognising as such,then that is the end of JK.That is what he seems to have tought us.

That is how one could be nobody.(personal point of view)

I am that Iam.

This post was last updated by kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao Sat, 10 Dec 2011.

lidlo lady wrote:
So how on earth can you be the nobody K said you really are? What did he mean? Probably someone can provide the killer K quote that quashes this question.

'Observer is the observed'

Alberto Brandeis wrote:
practical terms?

survival of life.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

lidlo lady wrote:
So how on earth

perhaps living with death.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

lidlo lady wrote:
Obviously, you're somebody, and from your point of view, nobody matters more because even if you live and die for someone or something not-you, it's still you who chooses to do it. You are the end all and be all of existence because without you nothing exists...except theoretically.

This is very accurate description of self in operation.

lidlo lady wrote:
So how on earth can you be the nobody K said you really are?

One has to find this out for oneself. The investigation has to start from the question; "why on earth I am somebody always in conflict in all my relationships?"

lidlo lady wrote:
What did he mean?

A verbal answer to this can be given, but the truth of it has to be found out individually. If 'somebody' is kind of fog or darkness in mind, then lifting/ending of that fog/darknes would perhaps reveal 'nobody'.

"Be a light to yourself" is the K-quote that comes to my mind.

FLOW WITH LIFE!

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
"Be a light to yourself" is the K-quote that comes to my mind.

Is not the basic issue being discussed that as things now stand we are lights onto ourselves, locked into our current understanding?

Convictions are prisons.

Alberto Brandeis wrote:
Is not the basic issue being discussed that as things now stand we are lights onto ourselves, locked into our current understanding?

Please make the question clearer.

FLOW WITH LIFE!

Alberto Brandeis wrote:
Is not the basic issue being discussed that as things now stand we are lights onto ourselves, locked into our current understanding?

Yes Alberto, we are our understanding. But our understanding is partial, contradictory and cluttered.. We are locked into diffused light, dulled by smoke.

Doctor Sharma is saying to start with that. We are all little somebodies trying to be nobodies.

As we are fond of slogans I give you all one more.

The observer is the absurd

Clearly, no one here is their own light. We're all moths fluttering around K's light, mouthing his words. The absurdity is a moth telling itself and other moths to lighten up.

Peng Shu Tse wrote:
We are locked into diffused light

Is there light at all, diffused or otherwise? Unless your meaning is that there can be a greater of lesser degree or correlation between what we (mis)understand and the actual state of affairs.

Convictions are prisons.

This post was last updated by Alberto Brandeis Sat, 10 Dec 2011.

What do you want? Do you want to dismantle Jk? or Do you want to find the trueth oF "No body"?We are only involved if we can find the trueth.We could always find solace in Jk.Poster is not making tall claims.

I am that Iam.

lidlo lady wrote:
We're all moths fluttering around K's light

Does the exact nature of the confusion matter? Seems to me that we are all blind-sided by something or the other, regardless of disposition.

Convictions are prisons.

It is quite easy to spot a irrelevant, superficial reaction which is sort of pre-determined. What is the use of starting a thread if... well, no use wasting time in replying to a poster who is less interested in discussion and more in giving absurd personal openion about others.

FLOW WITH LIFE!

Alberto Brandeis wrote:
Seems to me that we are all blind-sided by something or the other, regardless of disposition.

If this is an intellectual understanding about oneself, then it is simply adding to darkness. If this has been seen clearly and there is no attempt to find an intellectual solution, then the pain and disturbance generated open up new avenues.

FLOW WITH LIFE!

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
well, no use wasting time in replying to a poster who is less interested in discussion and more in giving absurd personal openion about others.

:)

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
If this is an intellectual understanding about oneself, then it is simply adding to darkness. If this has been seen clearly and there is no attempt to find an intellectual solution, then the pain and disturbance generated open up new avenues.

Two 'ifs' don't make a 'then.'

No intellectual understanding.

Cannot add to darkness

No intellectual solutions

Pain closes, not opens.

lidlo lady wrote:
We're all moths fluttering around K's light

We are all lights fluttering around K's moth

Peng Shu Tse wrote:
Two 'ifs' don't make a 'then.'

If not 'ifs' then 'when'.:)

Peng Shu Tse wrote:
Pain closes, not opens.

Without seeing, no understanding. Without understanding, no ending. Without ending, no beginning.

Without friendliness in heart, no serious discussion/dialogue/conversation possible.:)

FLOW WITH LIFE!

This post was last updated by Dr.sudhir sharma Sun, 11 Dec 2011.

Can the starter of this thread kindly enlighten us how one could be " no body" with so much of whims and fancy,and most unpredictable behaviour?

I am that Iam.

Rajiv Fonn

Beautiful your post and beautiful the picture.
Overall an amazing read.

Thank you very much for making it so clear and simple,

T

Rajiv Fonn wrote:
Now when K says that you are are really just a nobody I understand him to mean that you have no more importance than anyone else.

You are nothing/nobody was not said in the sense of comparision between one and rest of human beings by K. This term implies a state of mind that has understood the 'becoming/time' and gone beyond...that is looking/listening/learning in life as nothing/nobody.

FLOW WITH LIFE!

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
This term implies a state of mind that has understood the 'becoming/time' and gone beyond...that is looking/listening/learning in life as nothing/nobody.

That doesn't make any sense. Somebody has "gone beyond". Somebody is learning.

Everybody is somebody.

Rajiv Fonn wrote:
Now when K says that you are are really just a nobody I understand him to mean that you have no more importance than anyone else. Outwardly you crave for importance and status for the special privilages that it brings you in the form of increased pleasure, but inwardly you are just like everyone else - a nobody!

If we're all the same in that we all want importance and status, anyone who doesn't want importance and status is the exception, but is it accurate to say that being exceptional in this sense makes one "nobody"? It certainly makes one atypical and extraordinary to feel more like others than others feel unlike each other, but that isn't feeling like nobody - that's feeling a stronger sense of being human than of being this particular human.

This post was last updated by lidlo lady Sun, 11 Dec 2011.

I think that what one actually is is everybody, actually every thing that is sentient all at once. I am also you is the actual fact at the deepest level.

If you ever are actually seeing this you don't hurt the other person or the dog or the bird or ..... It just happens naturally without effort.

My status, my importance, hurts the other being.

Peter

This post was last updated by Peter Kesting Sun, 11 Dec 2011.

Peter Kesting wrote:
I think that what one actually is is everybody, actually every thing that is sentient all at once. I am also you is the actual fact at the deepest level.

Yes, and this is why I question this notion of being "nobody".

"Nobody" in the invented, individual, psychological sense of image.

Patricia Hemingway wrote:
"Nobody" in the invented, individual, psychological sense of image.

Even without a self-image, you're still somebody.