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Can we share the images that we have of each other?


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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #1
Thumb_295902_10150361346929121_667049120_8087939_521721644_n Angel Miolan Dominican Republic 158 posts in this forum Offline

We interrelate with each other reacting from the images we have structure in our minds. At the moment the image supplant the person, we can’t have any affection to share.Can we share the images that we have of each other? Maybe true affection can emerge…

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #2
Thumb_img001 Dr.sudhir sharma India 1553 posts in this forum Offline

Angel Miolan wrote:
Can we share the images that we have of each other?

That would be some explosive sharing!

What about sharing the understanding of the nature/activities of image making machinery?

Angel Miolan wrote:
Maybe true affection can emerge…

What is your gut feeling?

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #3
Thumb_295902_10150361346929121_667049120_8087939_521721644_n Angel Miolan Dominican Republic 158 posts in this forum Offline

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
That would be some explosive sharing!

No, Doctor Sharma, I’m afraid this time I don’t agree with you. I feel we need to tell the others, what we really think and feel, in order to open all the windows and all doors.
I believe we need fresh air in our relations. Maybe the others friends don’t participate…lets see. With affection, Angel.

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #4
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Angel Miolan wrote:
I believe we need fresh air in our relations.

You are my friend and I will be certainly with you on this journey of sharing. My light-hearted comment came in the light of the nature of self - "me vs. you and me better than you" or "we vs. them and we better than them".

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #5
Thumb_picture_65 RICK LEIN United States 2392 posts in this forum Offline

Angel Miolan wrote:
No, Doctor Sharma, I’m afraid this time I don’t agree with you. I feel we need to tell the others, what we really think and feel, in order to open all the windows and all doors.
I believe we need fresh air in our relations.

Good point Angel!:) Does that mean one doesn't post from locked threads to avoid such openness?

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #6
Thumb_295902_10150361346929121_667049120_8087939_521721644_n Angel Miolan Dominican Republic 158 posts in this forum Offline

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
My light-hearted comment came in the light of the nature of self - "me vs. you and me better than you" or "we vs. them and we better than them".

Maybe what you say can occur in the initial gathering of images, no one know, but you don’t think is possible that the unknown move in this place and a different quality of relation can emerge ? Angel.

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #7
Thumb_295902_10150361346929121_667049120_8087939_521721644_n Angel Miolan Dominican Republic 158 posts in this forum Offline

RICK LEIN wrote:
Does that mean one doesn't post from locked threads to avoid such openness?

Hello Rick…For me, it doesn’t matter from where we post. What it really matter is to communicate what we are feeling, what we think about the other, and the things we are honestly convince. What is truth, what it is, will show its own strength. If we are trying to avoid anything, we have a purpose and therefore we are creating the future and the ideal way of relationship. I feel is better just saying what we feel and think about the other. Regards, Angel.

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #8
Thumb_295902_10150361346929121_667049120_8087939_521721644_n Angel Miolan Dominican Republic 158 posts in this forum Offline

This new post is only a logical continuation of Dhrendra post:Affection.

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #9
Thumb_222137_198555660188035_100001008078868_524335_5765611_n dhirendra singh India 1627 posts in this forum Offline

Angel Miolan wrote:
Hello Rick…For me, it doesn’t matter from where we post. What it really matter is to communicate what we are feeling, what we think about the other, and the things we are honestly convince. What is truth, what it is, will show its own strength. If we are trying to avoid anything, we have a purpose and therefore we are creating the future and the ideal way of relationship. I feel is better just saying what we feel and think about the other. Regards, Ange

And I feel agreed with you:)

I don't know

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #10
Thumb_img001 Dr.sudhir sharma India 1553 posts in this forum Offline

RICK LEIN wrote:
locked threads

Only collection of sensible posts.

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #11
Thumb_img001 Dr.sudhir sharma India 1553 posts in this forum Offline

Angel Miolan wrote:
Maybe what you say can occur in the initial gathering of images,

Angel, clear one point for me, please. What we can share has to be stored within us. It otherwise also keeps coming up in our consciousness. You know that "looking/seeing" at what our mind is occupied with in the moment is of great significance. This 'looking/seeing' is valuable even when we are posting written words or communicating with spoken words. Right?

So, will sharing without this "looking/seeing" be of any use? If one can do this with arising thoughts within oneself, then why add "sharing" which has the potential of creating animosity ?

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #12
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Angel Miolan wrote:
I feel is better just saying what we feel and think about the other.

Should we not also discuss first why is it very important that this sharing should be received by other in the right spirit? And what would be constituents of this right spirit?

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #13
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Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
Only collection of sensible posts.

Self justification 101..LOL!

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #14
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Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
Should we not also discuss first why is it very important that this sharing should be received by other in the right spirit? And what would be constituents of this right spirit?

There you go again with the should..the ideal state..a way a path..a hear you nothing of what Krishnamurti says? You speak of the creation of a comfort zone for self image..a version of discussion tailored to like/not like?

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #15
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Angel Miolan wrote:
If we are trying to avoid anything, we have a purpose and therefore we are creating the future and the ideal way of relationship.

Apparently Mr. Sharma did not read your post completely before agreeing...because as one can easily see by his post # 12..that is what he wants to do?

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #16
Thumb_222137_198555660188035_100001008078868_524335_5765611_n dhirendra singh India 1627 posts in this forum Offline

Well, there is only one problem, and which is common problem of human being, which is psychological thinking, so we have to find out, if possible, the root cause of this problem.

This problem don't belongs to only x,y or z.Everything appearing as linked with x, y or z are just different names of this common problem.

Can we address this basic problem without attaching it with x, y or z...?

I don't know

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #17
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dhirendra singh wrote:
Can we address this basic problem without attaching it with x, y or z...?

A very good question my friend indeed!:)

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #18
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dhirendra singh wrote:
there is only one problem, and which is common problem of human being, which is psychological thinking, s

Wah..and a Bingo..Thank you!:)

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #19
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RICK LEIN wrote:
A very good question my friend indeed!:)

:) thanks for friendship.

I don't know

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #20
Thumb_img001 Dr.sudhir sharma India 1553 posts in this forum Offline

Dear Angel, do please note the special flavor of post no. 13, 14 and 15. Do you see the animosity image has brought out without any co-operation from me. If I openly tell him what I think about him, this man will go berserk!

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #21
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Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
If I openly tell him what I think about him, this man will go berserk!

You flatter yourself sir..LOL Self has weak roots my foot!:)

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #22
Thumb_295902_10150361346929121_667049120_8087939_521721644_n Angel Miolan Dominican Republic 158 posts in this forum Offline

I believe part of this entire thing are the psychological injures we receive and do to others. They are part of the image we build and also part of the way we relate with others friends. And we don’t want to receive more. But I think is something inevitable. Maybe we are going to cause harm again, but this time we have the opportunity to stop doing and receiving it. We have the possibility, as you say, to observe and dissolve the images, at the moment they materialize or later. If we are afraid of what we are going to receive, we can watch the old damage and continue open to share. Remember what K., say went he refers to be vulnerable. The mind needs to be open to all circumstance, if it is open to change. Angel.

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #23
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Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
Dear Angel, do please note the special flavor of post no. 13, 14 and 15. Do you see the animosity image has brought out without any co-operation from me. If I openly tell him what I think about him, this man will go berserk!

This is psychological reaction coming from human consciousness, we all have this kind of reaction, from whom it is concerned is not important, important is to inquire it fully.:)

I don't know

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #24
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Angel Miolan wrote:
I believe part of this entire thing are the psychological injures we receive and do to others. They are part of the image we build and also part of the way we relate with others friends. And we don’t want to receive more. But I think is something inevitable. Maybe we are going to cause harm again, but this time we have the opportunity to stop doing and receiving it. We have the possibility, as you say, to observe and dissolve the images, at the moment they materialize or later. If we are afraid of what we are going to receive, we can watch the old damage and continue open to share. Remember what K., say went he refers to be vulnerable. The mind needs to be open to all circumstance, if it is open to change. Angel.

Very well said, Angel.:)

I don't know

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #25
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Angel Miolan wrote:
Remember what K., say went he refers to be vulnerable. The mind needs to be open to all circumstance, if it is open to change

:)

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #26
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dhirendra singh wrote:
from whom it is concerned is not important, important is to inquire it fully.:)

:)

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #27
Thumb_222137_198555660188035_100001008078868_524335_5765611_n dhirendra singh India 1627 posts in this forum Offline

Now better I quit, have added lot of crap already.

I don't know

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #28
Thumb_222137_198555660188035_100001008078868_524335_5765611_n dhirendra singh India 1627 posts in this forum Offline

I mean for tonight only.:)

I don't know

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #29
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Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
Do you see the animosity image has brought out without any co-operation from me.

You sir..are THAT Image!:)

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 #30
Thumb_295902_10150361346929121_667049120_8087939_521721644_n Angel Miolan Dominican Republic 158 posts in this forum Offline

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
Dear Angel, do please note the special flavor of post no. 13, 14 and 15. Do you see the animosity image has brought out without any co-operation from me. If I openly tell him what I think about him, this man will go berserk!

Dear Doctor: Can you try to tell him what you think and feel about him?. He will tell you also what he think about you, and at the end, you and him will have the truth for a new beginning. Angel.

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