If you had not happened upon that book, video or live presentation of K, where would you be? How has contact with what K had to say changed your life? Are you the world you want to observe? Have you given the energy to observe who you are, to be that silence, and to be in this world without authority, status, or knowledge?

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." J. Krishnamurti

K's teachings have given me something better to believe in than God and angels and all that rubbish. Now I can believe that the observer is the observed and that I am not real. It's wonderful!

If I were not to visit JK in my life by what ever means,perhaps I would have been in discovery of my own self,however incomplete it would have been,(thrill of self discovery is lost).To day we can not ignore jk's teachings because of its importance to the trueth.No regretes.At end of teachings,it is time one needs to dismantle his cult on one's psychi,for after all it is ultmatly the trueth that must prevail.

I am that Iam.

teachings are no more then a sharing. whether one is able to listen to that, and be changed by it, has nothing to do with the words of whatever is being said. when something is understood beyond words, when the actual fact is seen, then it is no one's statement.

then one can move with self-discovery alongside what everyone says, but there is no longer the same viewing of everything as a goal, or certain words as special. there is the pursuing of some "transformation", or "enlightenment", but that eventually ends, and one actually begins to live a life without authority.

then, you actually become the same as anyone else who is a "teacher". but that labeling of yourself, from comparison, has nothing to do with what is actually going on.

Philip Bradley wrote:
then, you actually become the same as anyone else who is a "teacher". but that labeling of yourself, from comparison, has nothing to do with what is actually going on.

when one of them repeats the speech of the other, as a pupil that of the teacher, every piece of them in unison, as with fine voices you chant over the waters.

one lows like a cow, one bleats like a goat; one is speckled, one is green. They have the same name but they differ in form, and as the speak they ornament their voices in many ways.

gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

lidlo lady wrote:
K's teachings have given me something better to believe in than God and angels and all that rubbish. Now I can believe that the observer is the observed and that I am not real. It's wonderful!

You speak of the sacred, as your brightness is sacred; you speak the truth, as your deeds are true. You speak of faith, King of Soma, as you are carefully prepared by the sacrificial priest. O drop of Soma , flow for Indra.
gb

:)

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

This post was last updated by ganesan balachandran Mon, 16 Jan 2012.

A few months ago I was left with this shooting star - this friend my mother loved and whom I had never met in my childhood years and had to discover him for myself, without her. And it has been the most fantastic few months of my entire life. Then, when I look back but a year ago before I read the first word by Jiddu Krishnamurti I have the feeling I was someone else back then, someone entirely different who saw things and lived in a totally different way and that there is no way back to what it was before.

In practical terms, in my very limited way I try to convey to others what I think he tried to tell us by volunteering with a couple of the centres he left in this world.
Mostly I try to be that ripple that can change the world tide .

T

This post was last updated by B Teulada Sat, 14 Jan 2012.

Ruth Bass wrote:
If you had not happened upon that book, video or live presentation of K, where would you be?

A blind person can have fantastic illusions of light but the fact is that he is doomed to live in darkness.:)

FLOW WITH LIFE!

B Teulada wrote:
In practical terms, in my very limited way I try to convey to others what I think he tried to tell us by volunteering with a couple of the centres he left in this world.
Mostly I try to be that ripple that can change the world tide .

While introducing anyone to K teachings, it is important to emphasize that a teacher must also remain a student of K teachings all his/her life. For the right kind of ripple, all wordly high tides end, don't they?:)

FLOW WITH LIFE!

B Teulada wrote:
In practical terms, in my very limited way I try to convey to others what I think he tried to tell us by volunteering with a couple of the centres he left in this world.
Mostly I try to be that ripple that can change the world tide .

Thank you for your honesty B.T.:)

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

Ruth Bass wrote:
Have you given the energy to observe who you are, to be that silence, and to be in this world without authority, status, or knowledge?

Huh? You can't function without knowledge, and at times you have to use whatever authority or status you can muster to deal with the situation. You seem to be advocating some kind of ideal.

Didn't K?

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." J. Krishnamurti

Ruth Bass wrote:
Didn't K?

Didn't K what? Are you implying imitation of K the person?

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

Didn't K advocate some kind of ideal?

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." J. Krishnamurti

I say he did, though he would've said he was doing no such thing.

Take what he said about silence, for instance, and all his thundering about "the sacred" and "the immeasurable". Who wouldn't take it as an indictment of what we are as compared to what we should be?

lidlo lady wrote:
Who wouldn't take it as an indictment of what we are as compared to what we should be?

Isn't it an indictment of not being aware of what we are? Without the "should be", there is no comparison.

"There is only being and beginning...Order is the beginning, the source of an energy that can never diminish. To investigate it there must be an investigation of the senses and desire. That blessedness of order is when the mind does not have a single desire and the senses are operating fully, totally" Krishnaji Ch.35 of Pupul's book.

K pointed to our essence and potential. K helped me find a new way of looking.

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." J. Krishnamurti

This post was last updated by Ruth Bass Sun, 15 Jan 2012.

Ruth Bass wrote:
Didn't K advocate some kind of ideal?

No. He looked at the existing disorder of humanity with honesty.

Isn't this why people are so frustrated with the teaching of K?

In spite of the desire of those around him to have an endpoint to strive towards (dare one say to invent?) K constantly refused to give into these desires and provide one.

In fact as the teaching grew more and more austere throughout his life, K actively denied outcomes - just honest inquiry and understanding of the whole.

This post was last updated by Patricia Hemingway Sun, 15 Jan 2012.

Patricia Hemingway wrote:
In fact as the teaching grew more and more austere throughout his life, K actively denied outcomes - just honest inquiry and understanding of the whole.

Thank you!:)

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

Ruth Bass wrote:
Isn't it an indictment of not being aware of what we are? Without the "should be", there is no comparison.

The "should be" is implied. If all he talked about was how we avoid or deny awareness, that would be one thing. But he went on interminably about states of mind and awareness that may as well be science-fiction.

Philip Bradley wrote:
then, you actually become the same as anyone else who is a "teacher". but that labeling of yourself, from comparison, has nothing to do with what is actually going on.

One who really knows the fact,hardly makes any claim to have known the trueth.It is bussiness of others to recognise him as the man who knows trueth.Most of the immenet people were recognised as such.One of such people is Jk.

I am that Iam.

lidlo lady wrote:
But he went on interminably about states of mind and awareness that may as well be science-fiction.

Perhaps it is a case of reading into K what you want to find there.

Ruth Bass wrote:
K pointed to our essence and potential.

Giving the description of 'potential' in front of people trying to understand the 'essence' was still a potentially serious danger that could derail their investigation/enquiry by creating powerful illusions, would you agree?

FLOW WITH LIFE!

This post was last updated by Dr.sudhir sharma Sun, 15 Jan 2012.

It may be a trick of thought to ask, if not for K . . . ?

No one knows what would have happened if they had not missed that bus, had not eaten that extra prune, had not stopped for a cigarette, had not turned their head.

There seems to me to be an assumption in Ruth's question (forgive me, dear Ruth) that the life journey was somehow set until one met with the teaching put forth by K. Then the meeting changed radically the life direction in a way that nothing else would have. That is quite an assumption.

It is easy to say that this or that event or person changed one's life. But did it? Life was never a set pattern and was always changing, even if it did not seem so. I feel that to say K changed my life is to give him or the event too much power, power that is not mine to give. It is only the arrogance of thought that would do that. (I am not calling anyone arrogant.)

K is or was part of the integral whole in which everything moves together or nothing moves at all (both of which are expressions of fact). Higher laws seem to determine the whole, higher than individual volition or chance occurance.

And I feel it not useful to hypothesise about what might have been. The fact is that you came across the teaching. The fact is that you are here, Now. What are you doing with it?

You (we) have taken only a tiny part of that 'the first step is the last.' Probably we may have only seen a small glimmer of a chan ce that the possibility of that step might actually exist and yet we imagine ourselves well on the way. It is only thought that imagines it has come so far.

Peng Shu Tse wrote:
Probably we may have only seen a small glimmer of a chan ce that the possibility of that step might actually exist and yet we imagine ourselves well on the way. It is only thought that imagines it has come so far.

I haven't read any reply here to the effect that anyone here is «well on the way»-
There is a huge difference I think, between asserting that we are well on the way and feeling that we used to be totally on the wrong one.

But, hey, I may be totally, 100% lost in absolutely everything.
I don't even have a clue any more.

But guess what, this clueless state made me an utterly miserable person before whereas it almost feels like a relaxing caress now.
I attribute that to K.
So shoot me ... :-)

B Teulada wrote:
So shoot me

Oh no. No blaming intended madam.

So I think you say that coming in touch with K has turned your cluelessness from misery to relaxing caress.

A good 'before and after' story.

For me there are still good days and bad days. All of them still clueless.

But I think ignorance of one's own cluelessness is the most miserable caress. It ios like travelling in a car with marvellous suspension, but always in the wrong direction, comfortable but ultimately pointless.

Peng Shu Tse wrote:
B Teulada wrote:
So shoot me

Oh no. No blaming intended madam.

I know, I know Peng, just goofin' around

T

Peng Shu Tse wrote:
It ios like travelling in a car with marvellous suspension, but always in the wrong direction,

all of a sudden you assume a lot here

T

it is very tricky to try and define or describe an altered state of consciousness....it does seem however that when we "Think" we have changed we may be just seeing the illusion of self improvement..or refinement of conditioning?

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

Patricia Hemingway wrote:
Perhaps it is a case of reading into K what you want to find there.

You've found your religion there. I've found the words of a man who may or may not have found something, but who was expected by others to go on at length about it for the sake of their need for someone to follow and something hopeful to believe in.

This post was last updated by lidlo lady Sun, 15 Jan 2012.