By this I mean..am I using the mirror of relationship?Or have I settled into the false comfort of knowing...so that I am incapable of listening? Behavior is a good indicator of my state of mind...am I watching me..or you? When I see that you and I are in fact the same..there is no conflict..nothing to attack..nothing to defend?

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How can there be any illusion out of our relationship unless there is conflict in it?

I am that Iam.

kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
How can there be any illusion out of our relationship unless there is conflict in it?

If we are in conflict..is there relationship? Is there an illusion of peace..an Ideal on no conflict?:)

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Yes, the conflict begins when I sit back with the false sense of comfort. At best I am perched on the edge of the seat. At least there is some attention there. The span may be short, however.

RICK LEIN wrote:
If we are in conflict..is there relationship?

If we are in conflict,then the relationship itself an illusion.Normaly we fix our relationship as if it is absolute.In such cases there is no proper understanding of relationships because they come into existance due to the self-interest.

I am that Iam.

kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
self-interest.

:)

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RICK LEIN wrote:
Or have I settled into the false comfort of knowing...

RICK LEIN wrote:
When I see that you and I are in fact the same..there is no conflict..nothing to attack..nothing to defend?

Are the above two quotes a good example of how illusion is reinforced? Does one fall in to the trap of living in illusion because of one's wish to find a solution as soon as a problem arises or a question is posed?

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Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
fall in to the trap of living in illusion because of one's wish to find

Yes!:)

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It seems we are adrift in a sea of words[concepts..symbols]and we cling to these as if our very life depended on them..instead of using them as tools as a means to express the fact of what is..which is truth which no one owns..nor is it personal. When we make it..or take it personally we are still in the net?:)

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well said my friend!:)

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Rajiv Fonn wrote:
K-quote: Self confidence kills the spirit of earnest enquiry

If you had come to that realization entirely on your own, would you quote K?

lidlo lady wrote:
would you quote K?

I don't think i have heard of a quote like that from K, though he might have meant.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
How can there be any illusion out of our relationship unless there is conflict in it?

illusionary fact.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
How can there be any illusion out of our relationship unless there is conflict in it?

Is it not true that one may be in a very comfortable state without conflict per say..yet still be in illusion?:)

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RICK LEIN wrote:
.yet still be in?:)

factual illusion.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

RICK LEIN wrote:
Is it not true that one may be in a very comfortable state without conflict per say..yet still be in illusion?:)

Why not, it is possible for such an eventuality and one could be blissfully ignorent of the same,but it can attract attention only when the self feels the pinch,which happens only when there is an open conflict/contridiction.

I am that Iam.

kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
Why not, it is possible f

:) So It is the disturbance which shocks us into attention...but it does not mean we are free of illusion?

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RICK LEIN wrote:
it does not mean we are free of illusion?

No, one is not free of illusion unless one understands the the nature of one's own conflict/contridiction and main source of illusion which is either desire/security/idea/belief.

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kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
main source of illusion which is either desire/security/idea/belief.

Is there anything else that gives power and life like qualities to these main sources of illusion?

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RICK LEIN wrote:
So It is the disturbance which shocks us into attention...but it does not mean we are free of illusion

Disturbances shock us either in to numbness or propel us in to high level of divisive energy of conflict and concern. Attention is not the result of disturbances, concentration could be.

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Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
Is there anything else that gives power and life like qualities to these main sources of illusion?

What else can enpower itself expcept the self which for it's own sake ,infact which is the cummulative sum of all those mentioned in the posting #19.

I am that Iam.

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
Attention is not the result of disturbances,

Really..please expand on this point!:)

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RICK LEIN wrote:
Really..please expand on this point!:)

Disturbance means inner conflict which is contradictory thoughts and ending of them has a relationship (not of cause and effect) with attention.

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Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
Disturbance means inner conflict which is contradictory thoughts and ending of them has a relationship (not of cause and effect) with attention.

PengPaul says all thought is disturbance and the doctor says "contradictory thoughts" are disturbance. I say both of these statements are bs.

You're disturbed when perplexed, confused, confounded, stumped, flummoxed, frustrated, or when you're angry, appalled, outraged, or embarassed, mortified, humiliated, etc. You're disturbed when you've lost your composure and you're composed when you've quelled your disturbance. You can observe all this for yourself or you can listen to pompous twits tell you all about it.

lidlo lady wrote:
You're disturbed when perplexed, confused, confounded, stumped, flummoxed, frustrated, or when you're angry, appalled, outraged, or embarassed, mortified, humiliated, etc.

The cause of all the above is contradictory thoughts...the result of conflict between what is and what should be or what isn't and should be.

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lidlo lady wrote:
You can observe all this for yourself or you can listen to pompous twits tell you all about it.

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
Disturbance means inner conflict which is contradictory thoughts and ending of them has a relationship (not of cause and effect) with attention.

Observe or pay attention, is there any difference between the two?

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Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
The cause of all the above is contradictory thoughts...the result of conflict between what is and what should be or what isn't and should be.

You can't support this statement with anything, so why make it?

You're so dogmatic you're barking mad.