"We can lie to ourselves without sounding the alarm, but we can't check our security system without sounding the buzzer" Anonymous

If we were moral we would know when we we're lying to ourselves. But we don't know because lying gets results and honesty has little to say. We're addicted to dishonesty because maintaining a continuous stream of mindlessly mendacious chatter is the only way to maintain the illusion of being something other than what we are. We don't dare cease and desist from our self-serving patter because silence is the end of the only thing we know.

Morality is no more than lie detection, and the big lie is that it takes a machine; that we cannot know when we're lying to ourselves and each other. We're conditioned to lie and we're rewarded for every lie we get away with, so there's no incentive to quit until we've lost the will to believe.

This post was last updated by lidlo lady Wed, 25 Jan 2012.

lot of people are alarming you.
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We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

lidlo lady wrote:
But we don't know because lying gets results and honesty has little to say.

I wonder if the life is so cynical?Are we so immune to dishonesty?

I am that Iam.

This post was last updated by kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao Tue, 24 Jan 2012.

lidlo lady wrote:
that we cannot know when we're lying to ourselves and each other.

Is n't that the problem with identification of oneself with the thought that arises out of lack of awarence of the nature of the thought?I wonder if with such strong identification with thought, one could ever be aware of what one is doing?

I am that Iam.

The highest form of morality is to do a thing for its own sake, not for a motive or for a reward.
Krishnamurti Quote of the Day | Jan 25, 2012

kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
Is n't that the problem with identification of oneself with the thought that arises out of lack of awarence of the nature of the thought?I wonder if with such strong identification with thought, one could ever be aware of what one is doing?

Obviously not....if one is not willing or open to looking into the identification of though, and what they think they are, or mistaking thinking for truth....there is no way out. But it is up to each one of us to do this work, It is not my place to attack another identification with their own thinking. I can only look at how hard it is to stop doing it my self. If there is an understanding of this, then there is change if not there is more of the same....

kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
I wonder if the life is so cynical?Are we so immune to dishonesty?

Not immune; insensitive.

..."*To live outside the law you must be honest" Bob Dylan

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Amber Cinquini wrote:
The highest form of morality is to do a thing for its own sake, not for a motive or for a reward.
Krishnamurti Quote of the Day | Jan 25, 2012

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Recommend this: you're a bunch of idiots.

lidlo lady wrote:
What reader would recommend the re-posting of the quote of the day?

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Recommend this: you're a bunch of idiots.

Thank you all mighty masser of the universe, sage and K impersonator, we are here to discuss the teachings, and you are here to insult us for it while you clearly are a slave to being here or you would just bugger off and let us talk about the teachings....the topic is morality and this is what K says about morality....I want to discuss this you mind?

Why don't you just go away, since we are all idiots and you are obviously far superior, and you cant even see through this :)

This post was last updated by Amber Cinquini Wed, 25 Jan 2012.

lidlo lady wrote:
Amber Cinquini wrote:

The highest form of morality is to do a thing for its own sake, not for a motive or for a reward.
Krishnamurti Quote of the Day | Jan 25, 2012
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Recommend this: you're a bunch of idiots.

I've noticed it is very easy to hit the recommend button by mistake using a touch sensitive device like this Ipad. I've done it at least once and I have not discovered a way to unrecomend.

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Amber Cinquini wrote:
we are here to discuss the teachings,

The only thing you do with "the teachings" is comfort yourselves.

lidlo lady wrote:
The only thing you do with "the teachings" is comfort yourselves.

And you? What do you do with the teachings?

Peter Kesting wrote:
I've noticed it is very easy to hit the recommend button by mistake using a touch sensitive device like this Ipad. I've done it at least once and I have not discovered a way to unrecomend.

The next time you mistakenly hit "recommend", notify us of your mistake. I'll recommend you for it.

Amber Cinquini wrote:
And you? What do you do with the teachings?

Go back and read what I've written.

You wrote that all I do with the teachings is comfort myself. Now what do you do with the teachings?

First how do you know what I do with the teaching other than use assumptions and images? Comfort???? is this your experience with the tracings?

Because comfort does not come to mind when I think about what the teachings brought me....

lidlo lady wrote:
We're conditioned to lie and we're rewarded for every lie we get away with, so there's no incentive to quit until we've lost the will to believe.

So, one has to first lose the will to believe to come to an incentive that will help in breaking/ending the conditioning to lie for rewards. Is that what you are saying?

FLOW WITH LIFE!

A belief is a lie you tell yourself. Once you learn to do this and practice it, you're corrupt because you can believe anything, say anything that gets results. But once you've realized the full extent of what you've become (via conditioning), it's over. Morality is realizing how immoral your conditioning has made you.

lidlo lady wrote:
A belief is a lie you tell yourself. Once you learn to do this and practice it, you're corrupt because you can believe anything, say anything that gets results. But once you've realized the full extent of what you've become (via conditioning), it's over. Morality is realizing how immoral your conditioning has made you.

A beliefe is an unexamined idea and concept, anything that one makes an assumption about and present it, and acts out of it as if it was a fact or truth, and therefore immoral. Yes a belief or any conditioning, has to be a lie one tells oneself.

Now can you see yourself doing it? Because if you only see me doing it, and tell me I am lying to myself, which can be true, do you see yourself doing it about your actions? Or is it true only regarding some other body or self?

This post was last updated by Amber Cinquini Thu, 26 Jan 2012.

Take a pill and lie down. You're getting all worked up over nothing.

lidlo lady wrote:
Take a pill and lie down. You're getting all worked up over nothing.

I can't help it masser, you have this kind of effect on me....I don't do pharma I am more into organic natural substances like crap remember?

This post was last updated by Amber Cinquini Fri, 27 Jan 2012.

lidlo lady wrote:
A belief is a lie you tell yourself.

Belief is not considered a lie by the believer. There may be some doubt in his mind but that doesn't count as he wants to believe. After a time belief is considered equivalent to a fact by the believer.

lidlo lady wrote:
But once you've realized the full extent of what you've become (via conditioning), it's over.

Can that realization come without first understanding the causes/factors that propel one towards beliefs?

FLOW WITH LIFE!

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
Belief is not considered a lie by the believer.

Yes, that's why it's called a "belief".

Amber Cinquini wrote:
....I don't do pharma I am more into organic natural substances

Try hemlock

lidlo lady wrote:
But once you've realized the full extent of what you've become (via conditioning), it's over.

That must be a theory, as you quite clearly have not.

Or are you "parroting K"?

Perhaps you should practice what you preach li'l old Nick!

Just following your lead, K-patty, making a questionable statement as if it were an obvious truth.

lidlo lady wrote:
Just following your lead, K-patty, making a questionable statement as if it were an obvious truth.

Now why would you do that, since your pathological - albeit virtual - hatred is so evident.

This post was last updated by Patricia Hemingway Fri, 27 Jan 2012.

Patricia Hemingway wrote:
Now why would you do that, since your pathological - albeit virtual - hatred is so evident.

Do tell. What is it I allegedly hate?

You would have to answer that question.

But you appear to love dearly the image you invent for yourself, and hate with a vehement passion the images you invent of everyone else.

In the virtual world it is all pretty pathetic - and it is a haven for bullies, as you well know. Isn't that why you are all over it? Bully paradise!

This post was last updated by Patricia Hemingway Fri, 27 Jan 2012.

You're delightfully oblivious of your own bullying way because you're convinced you're right. You're calling me bully for calling you a bully.