Where Can Peace Be Found?

“Truth must be discovered, but there is no formula for its discovery. You must set out on the uncharted sea, and the uncharted sea is yourself. You must set out to discover yourself…”
J. Krishnamurti, Commentaries on Living, First Series.

Dan.

This post was last updated by Daniel Dan Wed, 25 Jan 2012.

within oneself. the rest will follow

T

B Teulada wrote:
within oneself. the rest will follow

Hello B....it sounds so simple , what if it is really so simple indeed ?....have you had this feeling of knowing about such a simplicity ?
:)

Dan.

Dan.

Dan Mohad Dib wrote:
....it sounds so simple

which part sounds simple? the 'withing oneself' or 'the rest follows'? or the whole thing?
i think it may be at the same time very simple or very complicated, depending on what accessories we have complicated our lives with.

i remember having this huge problem with K's work: it is fine in theory but when you get down in the real, ugly world, then it doesn't work. this morning. caught in the middle of a strike, with no trains to get to work on time and mad, desperate people getting nervous all around me, i looked at the sun as it was just coming up from behind a cloud. i kept looking at the incredible beauty of that light up there in the sky and at the people around me and had this gut feeling that what k says is the only real thing. that as long as we think it is merely interesting but that the real, ugly world is reality, we are stuck.

it is not that K's words are interesting and true in theory. they are the truth, and the rest is theory.
does this make it any easier? :-))

T

B Teulada wrote:
this gut feeling that what k says is the only real thing.

There are several pointers to the actual treuth,but they hardly go well with the people,however well one may agitate oneself for the peace,it does not fit bill,unless the agitater realises he/she is the agitation.One has bad habit of separating oneself from once own action.

I am that Iam.

B Teulada wrote:
which part sounds simple? the 'within oneself' or 'the rest follows'? or the whole thing?

hello again B...

the whole thing ..in itself...I am born,grow up then quickly get too upset then I simply take that and go for a discovery journey into the pain it is producing ,then I understand , open the all mind ,see the unconscious the one capable to heal the wounds ,the one capable to solve problems..using a simple tool which knows that all which is in pain is just wrong....this is simple...::)).

it is all linked with pain...and this do not need explanations but to be lived...good news..a side effect of that done rightly is...peace..

B Teulada wrote:
it is not that K's words are interesting and true in theory. they are the truth, and the rest is theory.
does this make it any easier? :-))

Yes I go for it.{:@))..as far as something true lies behind words...

Dan.

kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
There are several pointers to the actual treuth,but they hardly go well with the people

yes, well, dear ArjunaRao it may well be the case that all we love to do is talk but getting down to the actual thing requires not talking any more about the thing.

T

Dan Mohad Dib wrote:
Yes I go for it.{:@))..as far as something true lies behind words...

Hi again Dan; I think for us, they will have to do the work, will they not?
i believe for the few privileged who got to know K in person, it was easier because the truth was all of it: the tone of his voice, the movement of his hands, the way he sat, the way he walked, his very presence, that unbelievable look in his unbelievable eyes.

but for us, his words will have to do.

or he would not have bothered to leave them to us, would he?

be well,

T

B Teulada wrote:
Hi again Dan; I think for us , they (k's words ) will have to do the work , will they not?

Yes....along the little experience in bliss and understanding which occurred in my life, then after I realized it was in k.

Recently I was stuck , really stuck in my own life by this deep understanding about this not conscious having revealed itself many times now ,revealed by itself with healing capacities and more.
Then I did a search in k writings purposely to find out what he wrote about it and what happened to me was that as usual it was in k ,exactly with the feeling of what I saw and this is why I created the topic "superficial and hidden consciousness"...

so they will have to work as you say and they will . It is clearly an amazing sum of deep insights , nevertheless directly I never understood from the reading but only from my own direct experience within if i may put it that way.

But this unconscious being quite ..."unknown","the way it really works is quite unknown too, so the reading ,the intelligent reading of K may leave "something" in some corners of the brain...
At least it is trying something instead of having already renounced to be alive..::))

B Teulada wrote:
I believe for the few privileged who got to know K in person, it was easier...

it would seem that way logically.

B Teulada wrote:
but for us, his words will have to do.
or he would not have bothered to leave them to us, would he..

yes indeed he says no path , no method, and spend a life speaking about the very same thing....

it is quite easy to know about K, but for that there is the need to directly experience something in the concerned matter of his writings, then in my case as in many cases on different subject which met any journey, it always was so far in his writings but quite impossible to entirely understand only by reading...it is of much help, any hand is welcome in the matter of solving our insanity..:)

cheers.

Dan the man who sold his blue van to another man...

Dan.

Dan Mohad Dib wrote:
Dan the man who sold his blue van to another man...

When, When, when??, Dan the man:-)

I don't know

dhirendra singh wrote:
When, When, when??, Dan the man:-)

when the man was in a need of a van :])

Dan.

Dan Mohad Dib wrote:
when the man was in a need of a van :])

:-)

I don't know

B Teulada wrote:
i believe for the few privileged who got to know K in person, it was easier because the truth was all of it: the tone of his voice, the movement of his hands, the way he sat, the way he walked, his very presence, that unbelievable look in his unbelievable eyes.

You can get up off your knees now...he's dead.

B Teulada wrote:

i believe for the few privileged who got to know K in person, it was easier because the truth was all of it: the tone of his voice, the movement of his hands, the way he sat, the way he walked, his very presence, that unbelievable look in his unbelievable eyes.

lidlo lady wrote:

You can get up off your knees now...he's dead.

B Teulada wrote:
actual thing requires not talking any more about the thing.

Is 'talking about' the outward projection of the brain moving away from observing the fact of anything?

FLOW WITH LIFE!

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
Is 'talking about' the outward projection of the brain moving away from observing the fact of anything?

I don't know that it is moving away or otherwise; the key in this question seems to be a certain level of complacency that we get from talking about something that is a surrogate for doing.
Have you never experienced this? I do not know whether there is specifically a moving away but definitely not a moving 'towards'. It is that lethal idea of having done enough.

T

How beautiful dear Teulada!

Felt the Sun too while reading you...

As simple as noticing the light you described, and any distance, any observer dissolving naturally in the Actual

The mind is lost in its endless reactions..

Yes, there is really no theory at all to be 'put into practice', that is just another thought which belongs to the theory in the sense of its being conceptual.

What K's words point to is sheer Practice, timeless action.

Love
Mina

B Teulada wrote:
the key in this question seems to be a certain level of complacency that we get from talking about something that is a surrogate for doing.

The brain has collected so much knowledge and so many experiences. There is the feeling of self importance and fulfilment when one is sharing/telling them to others.

For doing something without a sense of self fulfilment, it would be necessary for the brain to be quite and still. The problem is that it does not know how to go about being quite and still except as an idea. That is the reason why inwardly brain is chattering and outwardly there is talking 'about' going on all the time.

Can this wastage of energy stop?

FLOW WITH LIFE!

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
There is the feeling of self importance and fulfilment when one is sharing/telling them to others.

And this feeling is the heart and soul of sudhir.

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
For doing something without a sense of self fulfilment, it would be necessary for the brain to be quite and still. The problem is that it does not know how to go about being quite and still except as an idea.

It isn't a matter of not knowing how to do it. It's resistance to non-existence. The end of the stream of consciousness, silence, is the end of me, myself, and this can't be willed or allowed. There's nothing I can do about I.

lidlo lady wrote:
It's resistance to non-existence. The end of the stream of consciousness, silence, is the end of me, myself, and this can't be willed or allowed. There's nothing I can do about I.

:)

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

Mina Martini wrote:
Felt the Sun too while reading you...

Glad you did dear Mina, it is truly wonderful and, judging from the news, it would seem that's about the only thing the Portuguese State isn't selling out at a discount ... yet. :-)

love

T

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
Can this wastage of energy stop?

hard work ,probably impossible but for one or two "phenomenon", as our actual world from morning to bed time ,and through the night and dreams and nightmares is 100 % dedicated to the activities of one program called self, or ego, or me first ...we are totally caught in techniques, profitability, the more ,the better , the constant fight and science only...there is nothing else but our clumsy attempts here to find out something and somehow to possibly understand

from 7 or 8 am to 5 , 6 or 7 o'clock pm we are entirely dedicated to the self program fighting each other, then when work is over ,self still work and this for all life , in fear , in despair but we say it is alright and so on with the lies...

peace , for me ,will never be of such a life..

Dan.

This post was last updated by Daniel Dan Thu, 26 Jan 2012.

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
That is the reason why inwardly brain is chattering and outwardly there is talking 'about' going on all the time.

that too, yes. but when I listen to all the noise, say, in politics or economics, i have this funny feeling that it is a much more prosaic thing we are dealing with here, notably, that the underlying problem is that 'talking' is easier than 'doing', so, while we are busy talking we do not need to do. you know, it may just be about good old laziness, why bother to actually roll our collective sleeves up and do something when the majority of people will be happy enough listening to all the talk ...

T

Dan Mohad Dib wrote:
hard work ,probably impossible but for one or two "phenomenon", as our actual world from morning to bed time ,and through the night and dreams and nightmares is 100 % dedicated to the activities of one program called self, or ego, or me first ...we are totally caught in techniques, profitability, the more ,the better , the constant fight and science only...there is nothing else but our clumsy attempts here to find out something and somehow to possibly understand

from 7 or 8 am to 5 , 6 or 7 o'clock pm we are entirely dedicated to the self program fighting each other, then when work is over ,self still work and this for all life , in fear , in despair but we say it is alright and so on with the lies...

peace , for me ,will never be of such a life..

But Dan when you were writing this was the self there?

This post was last updated by Peter Kesting Thu, 26 Jan 2012.

Peter Kesting wrote:
But Dan when you were writing this was the self there?

I am stuck with this question, can you say more what you had in mind when asking , please,peter

Dan.

What was your motive in writing?

When one looks at anything just to see what it is, without any other motive...just to see what it is...there is no self there. It can be a flower or a child or a mountain, or it can be ones life, or one can look at some question, a question in mathematics or in physics... really look, not to get anything, not to do anything with it just to look, to see...there is no self there..... And it is possible to share that with another, also without any self in that movement.

Looking to see if there was any motive there.... Same thing.

Dan, if you ever get anywhere near me in California I will take you to see Yosemite valley. I will give you my phone number and Email.

Peter

Peter Kesting wrote:
But Dan when you were writing this was the self there?

Yes, it was, but it was on the phone.

Peter Kesting wrote:
Dan, if you ever get anywhere near me in California I will take you to see Yosemite valley

thanks peter..you never know..amazingly I live very close to the mountain here

But I need the right state of the mind to go into your last questions..which i will soon.cheers.

Dan.

Dan.