When we look past the quotable rhetoric at what K was actually saying, it amounts to this: when the mind realizes what it is, how it works, and what it cannot do, it stops, thought ends, silence abides, and this is, "the first and last step", "the psychological revolution", "radical transformation", "the mutation of the brain", etc.

It sounds plausible and more hopeful than anything that has been said since...but is it true? Krishnamurti said to find out for yourself because believing or disbelieving is an inadequate response to the question. But seeing as how belief/disbelief is all we know, we either believe/disbelieve he was speaking truthfully, or we honestly don't know what to think, and it's this state of not knowing that Krishnamurti intended to arouse when he communicated.

So if you walk away from a K-talk or K-book with a deep conviction that he was speaking the truth, you are living proof of a failure to communicate.

This post was last updated by lidlo lady Mon, 30 Jan 2012.

lidlo lady wrote:
So if you walk away from a K-talk or K-book with a deep conviction that he was speaking the truth, you are a living exemplar of his failure to communicate.

So how is a 'you' who doesn't know, staying here and throwing insults at others who don't know has any meaning? Is that finding out what is true?

This post was last updated by Amber Cinquini Sun, 29 Jan 2012.

If you're attentive, interested in what-is, it doesn't matter what you do because it's all revelatory.

lidlo lady wrote:
If you're attentive, interested in what-is, it doesn't matter what you do because it's all revelatory.

Is it? lets look at that? How is what you do or don't do revelatory?

If you don't see how everything you say and do and everything that happens is revelatory, nothing is being revealed, nothing's new, and maybe that's the way you like it.

lidlo lady wrote:
you are a living exemplar of his failure to communicate.

Varuna set Vasistha right in the boat. The inspired master made him a seer, a poet, by his great powers, so that his days would be good days, so that his skies and dawns would stretch out.

gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

lidlo lady wrote:
his failure to communicate.

communication itself a failure through words.

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

ganesan balachandran wrote:
lidlo lady wrote:

his failure to communicate.
communication itself a failure through words.

Ah ah ah ah ah, you are right as usual Ganesan !

Doesn't your jaw just drop when people get fixed on this stupid idea that words are the only tools of communication we have with a fellow human being? No wonder Lidlo thinks I am idolizing K for saying that he communicated with the whole of his body and with the look in his eyes.

T

lidlo lady wrote:
So if you walk away from a K-talk or K-book with a deep conviction that he was speaking the truth, you are a living exemplar of his failure to communicate

True,one seems to have never really understood what Jk's teaching's are if one were to come to the conclusion that his teachings were absolute trueths.Certain amout of doubt is must for probing the trueth of his teachings.

I am that Iam.

B Teulada wrote:
you are right as usual Ganesan !

Do you understand something that Ganesan say B. Teluda?

If so, please do explain. You say he is right as usual.

Ganesan always repeats some ancient scriptures or some old sayings. Isn't it there a danger to repeat something He/we do not understand at all?

Please do not take it against you or against Ganesan.....

This post was last updated by K. Kennedy (account deleted) Mon, 30 Jan 2012.

B Teulada wrote:
No wonder Lidlo thinks I am idolizing K for saying that he communicated with the whole of his body and with the look in his eyes.

K spoke and used millions of words for 6 or 7 decades to just say :

*one very very, important, the only crucial, most important of all his talks and writings: * LOOK AT THE FLOWER, LOOK AT YOUR SELF, LOOK, AGAIN AND AGAIN. LOOK? MUST I TELL YOU TO EAT WHEN YOU ARE HUNGRY? OF COURSE NOT.

SO WHY MUST I TELL YOU TO LOOK AT A FLOWER? AT YOURSELVES.

By the way, that's why Dhirendra Singh says that "All the rest is repetition"

All the rest of what K wrote in his "Journal", "Notebook", and "commentaries of Living" has alredy been said centuries ago, hence Ganesan's analogies and comparaisons..

lidlo lady wrote:
you are a living exemplar of his failure to communicate

I beg to differ, It is OUR FAILURE not his.

He gave you/us something, let's say a flower.

Some of us burnt it, some of us put it in a framework, some others worshipped it, some cooked it, some tired it to pieces.

If I were K, I would say : "I do not care"

Do whatever you like.

If you were desperately serious, you would know what to do of the flower.

If not? you are not serious, keep on to suffer...

That's all...

This post was last updated by K. Kennedy (account deleted) Mon, 30 Jan 2012.

It was a failure to communicate. If it was our failure to receive what he communicated, we're still failing. If it was his failure, we'll never know.

lidlo lady wrote:
we're still failing.

we can know only our self.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

failure:
an act or instance of failing or proving unsuccessful; lack of success: His effort ended in failure. The campaign was a failure.
2.
nonperformance of something due, required, or expected: a failure to do what one has promised; a failure to appear.
3.
a subnormal quantity or quality; an insufficiency: the failure of crops.

How soon must success come for us to deem something successful? To pose a time limit would seem the creation of the failure itself, human enough I suppose but isn't getting around that sort of thing the whole point?

a light in the dark does not seek to make anything clear, or even to point the way, but perhaps only to show that light exists, or maybe even only darkness...

Yes, I was being provocative, pointing to what seems to me the failure of K-believers to get what he was talking about. Not that I "get it", but K knew that his listeners could do nothing but believe or disbelieve, despite his disclaimers, so he had to have known he was propagating a new belief and thus, the religion of no-belief. As the high priest of this new religion, he taught that to practice it was to assiduously attend to one's own believing condition.

K. Kennedy wrote:
Do you understand something that Ganesan say B. Teluda?

Nobody understands what Ganesan says but anybody can seize upon one of his inscrutable posts for their own purpose.

K. Kennedy wrote:
Do you understand something that Ganesan say B. Teluda?

this is what Ganesan wrote and prompted your question:

communication itself a failure through words.

Don't tell me this is cryptic.

T

lidlo lady wrote:
Nobody understands what Ganesan says but anybody can seize upon one of his inscrutable posts for their own purpose.

You remind me of something with this always speaking in the plural you use: 'We are Legion'.
I do wish you spoke for yourself, once in a while, you know, for variety's sake.

T

But it's you and your compatriots that are legion. I'm just holding my own against a horde of K-zombies.

This post was last updated by lidlo lady Sat, 04 Feb 2012.

K. Kennedy wrote:
Do you understand something that Ganesan say B. Teluda?

K. Kennedy wrote:
Please do not take it against you or against Ganesan.....

I understand JK tried his level best to make Veda understandable, since he felt that was sacred and worth a better sense of preservation.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK