"If we can know for ourselves that which is false in our thinking, then we shall know naturally, without imposition, what is the true"

We talk about seeing things for what they are, direct perception, no distortion, not naming, having no images, and other K-isms, while paying little, if any attention, to our own thoughts. We lie to ourselves constantly, intentionally and unintentionally. We believe rubbish and nonsense because we never subject the stuff that runs through our heads to rigorous scrutiny. We're quite content to keep repeating the same old mantras and tedious litanies, publish them, and defend them vehemently. How can we see anything clearly if we can't turn an honest eye upon ourselves?

I always thought that the point of the old mantras and tedious litanies were meant to enable this rigorous scrutiny. In any case the task is to detect falseness in precisely that scrutiny, is it not? Being honest is to my mind perhaps the most difficult thing to be. I'm quite sure that if you could offer a way to honesty as foolproof as you make it sound you could turn this and many other forums off, lay back and delight in the bright eyes of humanity. rigorous scrutiny would go on without a hitch and you would not find a single person who would need to eat, pray, love using the methods currently available.

...even jesus wanted just a little more time..

brendejo o wrote:
...even jesus wanted just a little more time..

yes, well, one could say he was on quite a tight schedule wasn't he?

new here? welcome aboard,fellow citizen :-)

T

brendejo o wrote:
I'm quite sure that if you could offer a way to honesty as foolproof as you make it sound...

There can never be "a way to honesty" because it's an aversion, an allergy, an inability. Honesty isn't something you do; it's what you can't do that makes you honest.