How does one make the move from the light of another to one's own? What turns the switch? Why does one awaken to one's own lucidity after a lifetime of depending on the lucidity of others? Is there even a how or why to it? It happens...and if it doesn't, you can always pretend it did; that the insight of another is your insight. This what most people do, and why not? Who wants to be alone with the realization that most people are deluded, befuddled, misled, and dependent on their imagined superiors? Better to belong to a support group where everyone assures you that wretched dependency is the course of wisdom.

Why do you believe in enlightenment? How do you know enlightenment isn't the realization that there's no such thing, and that Krishnamurti wasn't just some poor shmuck who'd been forced into realizing this? What if there's nothing but the conflict between our base, animal instincts and rationality? What if beliefs about the resolution of this conflict are just escapes?

If you're not honest and patient enough to be the conflict you are, you can only pretend to be what you are not.

lidlo lady wrote:
If you're not honest and patient enough to be the conflict you are, you can only pretend to be what you are not.

Honesty in the sense of sticking to what is being perceived inwardly and patience in the sense of not escaping from what is perceived by projecting an opposite is certainly required. Pretension would be to wear a mask that shows the face of the opposite.

Yes, the light will first show that our mind is working in this darkened field. Is there any need to judge/categorize the activities going on in mind of others or oneself?

FLOW WITH LIFE!

lidlo lady wrote:
Why do you believe in enlightenment?

I do not believe but I have lived that so called "enlightenment" twice , one full night within a kundalini ,stupid word experience and a whole day in the street of a boring town where all was unusually deeply interesting...

And I met people to whom it happened too.More common that any "normal" person would suspect...

It is clear that "this " is to be alive, this is why we are alive...Is left the memory that this happened and is left the "work" into a self discovery journey...now to tell this is usually useless especially on k websites for some reasons, which may be worthy , and I mean it.

Not to be "normal" is a really a must in the matter.....:)

see what I mean by normal ? adapted to insanity..

Dan.

This post was last updated by Daniel Dan Mon, 06 Feb 2012.

lidlo lady wrote:
What if there's nothing but the conflict between our base, animal instincts and rationality...

I like that type of questioning:)

rationality is at work on earth is not it ?
so far animal instinct and analytical mind for me is the same part of the brain...the bird makes a nest so we do..bird needs one nest , if possible one human would buy all the nest, here is one difference..

lidlo lady wrote:
and that Krishnamurti wasn't just some poor shmuck who'd been forced into realizing this?

who knows indeed ? words can be fake, illusory , k could be a real one as well as not.If he is not taken for granted it is fine then!
Anyway k or anyone will not take my hand to walk into the "no path"land.

Understanding life will remain a personal task....and in this matter I see more this coming from outsiders to man's world than anyone else...the poor guy somewhere could be "awake" and seeing the global disaster may know that talking to the world is a waste of time ..who knows?

lidlo lady wrote:
If you're not honest and patient enough to be the conflict you are, you can only pretend to be what you are not.

yes !in my views.

Dan.