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Sat, 16 Feb 2013 #241
Thumb_snapshot_20130606 john Campbell Canada 535 posts in this forum Offline

pavani rao wrote:
collective efforts from every body .

Pavani>>>behavior ... .At the same time I wonder if there can be so much of misinterpretation in differentiating rudeness from politeness

J.C.> Every society has its share of’ Creeps’,thankfully in small numbers.
It seems true that,’born a Creep,die a Creep’,’the( die )is cast’.
Conclusion: Save your energy. The Creep is worthless.

Pavi>>>Shakespeare and various other literary figures .

J.C.>>>> Tchaikovsky would have had a field day on this forum.

Tchaikovsky: The Nutcracker?

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Sat, 16 Feb 2013 #242
Thumb_baboon-9186 dave h United Kingdom 1165 posts in this forum Offline

Patricia Hemingway wrote:
Having not spent so much time around 'K-people' (for want of a better word) the amount of vitriol displayed toward K and the teaching here is truly amazing to observe.

The only explanation would seem to be that the 'self' is really threatened by what K wrote, and it comes here (in particular) to vigorously defend its territory. :)

There are many explanations. There is also vitriol against the vitriol. Is this also the self being really threatened by what is written? I can't speak with complete confidence about other people's motives behind vitriol. One can have a feeling or intuition which could be wrong.

But speaking for myself I sometimes disagree with specifics about what K has said or written, and sometimes he changed his mind too. If I post something about that my motive is mainly to cut the bonds of what I see as over-attachment to K. Nothing is so sacrosanct that it cannot be questioned. So the issue is often not about K himself but what people are writing about K. Yes there is also too much needless vitriol against K. I am not sure what the motive is, but maybe the motive is not important.

One still has to uncover whether what is written is true or false, whether it is hypocritical or couched in inflammatory terms. A thief can point out to another thief that he is a thief. I think one point of inflammation is artifical gurus unable to explain themselves and using evasion and deflection as a means to avoid being questioned. Again this is not an issue with K, but people writing about K.

Finally, I am not writing from a separate place above. I am capable of vitriol and agitation too, and am a part of this mess. What I can say though is that my vitriol is usually a reaction to what I percieve as insensitivity or ego (in the self-important sense of the word).

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Sat, 23 Feb 2013 #243
Thumb_beautiful-nature-wallpaper pavani rao India 541 posts in this forum Offline

“ What is the American mind ? “strong text

Well friends I was going through this book Kitchen Chronicles by Michael Krohnen and came across this interesting piece of discussion of K along with the author and a small group of 16 other people in one of the chapters ( page 107 to 113 ) . Since I cannot bring in here the abridged version of this interesting topic , I thought I should share at least few aspects of it in here . ( wonder how John Raica does that excellent job of posting such lengthy texts from Essential K texts ! ) May be T , your help is required once again : )

Well the exact question posited by K was this ; “ What is the American mind - in its Essence ? What makes it different from the French , the English , the Chinese mind ? “
There were interesting responses from the people but the most interesting one came from K himself and not only that he also speaks of the Indian mind , the English and the French mind .The following is the extract .

“ Listen , sir . Of course it’s a tremendous generalization . But there is something like the American mind - that’s clear , is’nt it ? The American mind differs from the Indian mind , which is very clever , superstitious , sloppy , believes in hierarchy , authority , tradition and so on . Or the French mind - highly individualistic , selfish , analytical , very sharp, linguistic . Or the English mind - which is insular , isolated , snobbish and all that “ . He further adds of course taking hints from people around …

“ All right . The American mind is gullible, superficial , vulgar . It’s very changeagle and believes in all sorts of specialists for every aspect of life . There is a specialist for religion , for sex , how to behave , live , how to sit , and how to comb your hair . It’s enthralled by entertainment , is highly commercial and so on .But it’s also very generous , naïve , open , curious , and active . “
Interestingly some one from the crowd suggests the word “ pluralism “ and K seems intrigued by that slightly mystifying evaluation and sums up in the following words ….

“ Right Sir , the American mind is pluralistic . That means doesn’t it , that there actually may not be such a thing as an American mind , because it lacks tradition ; it’s still young , moving , changing . But it probably is also tremendously broken up, fragmented and confused . “

The point to ponder / reflect upon here is though the specific qualities described by K to different nationalities may be applicable to a great extent but may not be very valid in the same sequence as he himself referred to all that as a very generalization … it would be good to explore into the words of tradition , fragmentation , broken up … just to site a few . And I also feel in the increasing scenario of shrinking borders , nationalities and the world’s global village is there any mind specifically pertained to any country ?

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Sat, 23 Feb 2013 #244
Thumb_snapshot_20130606 john Campbell Canada 535 posts in this forum Offline

pavani rao wrote:
The American mind

K>“ All right . The American mind is gullible, superficial , vulgar . It’s very changeable and believes in all sorts of specialists for every aspect of life . . It’s enthralled by entertainment , is highly commercial .But it’s also very generous , naïve , open , curious , and active . “

K>>“ Right Sir , the American mind is pluralistic . That means d it lacks tradition ; young , moving , changing . broken up, fragmented and confused . “

Pav.>… it would be good to explore into the words of tradition , fragmentation , broken up … just to site a few . And I also feel in the increasing scenario of shrinking borders , nationalities and the world’s global village is there any mind specifically pertained to any country
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J.C.>> Well K’s smorgasbord has a few good plates but seems mostly very questionable.

The USA is quite diverse,with many subcultures in its many regions.There is no simple way to describe it.

He does not mention the genocide of the American Indian or black slavery,a sort of tradition of superiority

but then the topic is not history.

However ,people do leave there various cultures(for various reasons) to enter the USA,now free to make it or brake it as individuals.

This is the backbone of the American way.With the exception of recent journalism, TV jerks and questionable political activities(Bush and his likes),

I for one have never met a gullible ,vulgar American. Despite the changing economic tides at present,I find that Americans are the

most giving people that I ever encountered. And yes they love entertainment,are very commercial,and excellent business people.

My daughter’s best friend,a fine businessman was murdered in 911, he was a wonderful human being.

Years ago,while I was kicking around Florida for a few months I became a friend of a local business woman(Ex B.pageant to : )

and we became comfortable enough(both of us were going through divorces ) to talk about our life’s priorities ,hers were devoted to,

and in this order: Her President,her God and finally her children. If this is true across America then Mr. President ranks higher than Mr. God,

of course this is pure fun speculation.

So from my personal experiences, (ignoring for the moment the cooperate taking over of America’s political apparatus) I would have no problem

enjoying spending time with an American. They are open,friendly,generous and very smart people.

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Sat, 23 Feb 2013 #245
Thumb_beautiful-nature-wallpaper pavani rao India 541 posts in this forum Offline

Hi J.c & Julia 

Thanks for responding to the post ( across the forum by Julia as he is very fond of committing suicide on Kinfo by proving time and again as the sole brave heart, hey Julia no offense meant)

Well I almost was getting slightly scared and was wondering if I had hurt the sentiments of people by choosing to bring that extract , as in that discussion , K uniformly sounds very un complimentary to all nationalities .  

Now how shall we describe tradition ? How does it  form a major contributing factor in our conditioning ? Of course apart from our up bringing and various circumstances that  act on us and form our behavior patterns ... 

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Sun, 24 Feb 2013 #246
Thumb_snapshot_20130606 john Campbell Canada 535 posts in this forum Offline

pavani rao wrote:
tradition

Pav,>>>Now how shall we describe tradition

J.C.>Well North America is rather a recent frontier as compared to India ,South America,Europe etc.but still,
they have their special ways.The USA loves baseball,football,basketball and will even have before game
parties outside the stadium.In Canada,Hockey rules everything,bigger than the Queen,government,God and eating
except on your 13th birthday you must eat a hockey puck and drink six beer.In one counter attack against the Nazis
in WW Two,the Canadian army shot hockey pucks at the Germans, the krauts retreated and spent two months
figuring out the new Canadian weapon,giving the allies time to regroup,which changed the course of the war.
Thanksgiving Day is a huge family tradition, families gather together for a turkey dinner.Lately the US president
began pardoning one lucky turkey,so it get to gobble for a while longer.
Christmas follows in all its glory.
There is no official language in the US although the majority are Anglo.Canada has two official languages English and French.
Perhaps the real tradition in the USA was struggle for political freedom.Blacks,poor whites and women had none. The Irish were
next to slaves on the ‘Totem pole’,the Indians would not be enslaved and so were wiped out. Despite all the gains the tradition
of struggle continues . Struggle and competition seems to define the USA with Canada being more social democratic,with every
citizen getting a free hockey puck with their dental bill.

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Sun, 24 Feb 2013 #247
Thumb_beautiful-nature-wallpaper pavani rao India 541 posts in this forum Offline

Hi J. C 

Thanks for taking pains to go into such lengths  describing tradition of your background that is of your nationality . The following is the definition for tradition from the dictionary . 

Comi- noun
1.
the handing down of statements, beliefs, legends, customs, information, etc., from generation to generation, especially by word of mouth or by practice: a story that has come down to us by popular tradition.
2.
something that is handed down: the traditions of the Eskimos.
3.
a long-established or inherited way of thinking or acting: The rebellious students wanted to break with tradition.
4.
a continuing pattern of culture beliefs or practices.

Now let me try describing or explaining tradition from this part of the world .. And this is a very arduous task . I wish I have the energy levels and erudition like Paul ... 
But well then let me try doing it ... may be our Indian friends can join me in supplying few inputs . 

Tradition seen from my perspective . 

For us in India religion plays a major part in our lives .I think many places K also pointed out in India we have 3 million and more Gods & Goddesses , umpteen temples of all sizes , famous , not so famous are seen in every smallest nook and corner of all places irrespective of cities , towns and villages .
 
We have equal number of festivals lined up through out in the year falling one or two sometimes in a month ..the interesting thing is some festivals are celebrated exclusively in the name of brothers , sisters ,   husbands , for family members well being  etc . 

Animals like cow , snake ( some times ) rat , lion , eagle , bull and various other animals are revered as they are considered to be the vehicles of Gods . 

Even these days Tulsi ( a small plant ) is kept in the court yards of houses and is worshipped as it is associated with one of the main Gods of Hinduism .    
Hey don't you think for one day thats quite a good amount of tradition  I could write to . May be some more aspects of it tomorrow . Stay tuned :) 

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Mon, 25 Feb 2013 #248
Thumb_snapshot_20130606 john Campbell Canada 535 posts in this forum Offline

pavani rao wrote:
the traditions of the Eskimos. Animals like cow , snake ( some times ) rat , lion , eagle , bull and various other animals are revered as they are considered to be the vehicles of Gods .

J.C.>
Yep,we kinda worship cows over here also,especially
at McDonalds,with fries.
Snakes,rats lions and eagles are free to roam,they eat each other and call it a day.
The bulls we elect to parliament, and there they do what bulls do best.
We elect the odd rat also.
I see a lot of temples popping up here nowadays,they seem to get along fine,
except for blowing up the odd plane or shooting an undesirable bride or groom.
One or no Gods seems to be the norm here,for very many,none ‘s enough,
Except most people like Jesus,who said,’Try and get along for Christ sake.’

So it seems(seriously),that this place is still very much a frontier,still young,
restless eager, but give it a chance,a bit more time,time to absorb it all,
and McDonalds will be out of business.

After all,India is the oldest democracy in the world.
Canada is just a child.
An Eskimo once wrote:
'It's dam cold up here.'

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Mon, 25 Feb 2013 #249
Thumb_beautiful-nature-wallpaper pavani rao India 541 posts in this forum Offline

Hi J . C 

Well as we are discussing earlier this whole topic of Tradition is so broad based and quite an exhaustive subject in itself , which we can keep discussing at regular intervals . 

Today I want to share some sad as well as nice incidents which I came across while reading the local news paper . I don't know whether it came to your notice or not few days back there happened severe bomb blasts in my place in here causing major loss to human life and property . That part of the  city is still reeling under this catastrophe . There are these people who sustained injuries who are admitted and this very heart warming incident that  came to the notice that there are 300 people standing in the line who went to the hospital to donate blood to the needy one's .   

One more amazing piece of news is :  Fauja Singh ( Sikh Indian born British national ) the world'd oldest marathon runner at 101 retires from competitive events as a very happy man as he finished his last race on Sunday . 
The heart warming and remarkable thing about this man  is he  decided to run for charities at the age of 89 . If that sounds amazing here is still the best part of it all . His name could not enter the Guinness World Records because he does not have a birth certificate to prove his age , only a pass port .   This just don't bother this great / simple  man as he he says he will not stop running for charity as long as he is alive . 

Just reminds me when K says referring to  all those  simple good human beings who do their work anonymously striving hard in which ever way they can  for the  goodness of fellow beings  .... live and die not asking for any thing . 

We on the other hand have to decide where do we belong ... Reading K seemed to have caused more confusion in some  people than doing good as they sound neither here nor there ... 

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Mon, 25 Feb 2013 #250
Thumb_mandala6 Ruth Bass United States 121 posts in this forum Offline

pavani rao wrote:
We on the other hand have to decide where do we belong ... Reading K seemed to have caused more confusion in some people than doing good as they sound neither here nor there ...

Pavani, sometimes I think the confusion is necessary to help cleanup and filter out the debris of conditioning. If one can read K, come to an understanding, and continue to function well, if not better, in daily interactions with others, then all the initial confusion was worth it.

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." J. Krishnamurti

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Fri, 08 Mar 2013 #251
Thumb_beautiful-nature-wallpaper pavani rao India 541 posts in this forum Offline

Ruth Bass wrote:
I think the confusion is necessary to help cleanup and filter out the debris of conditioning.

Hi Ruth 

Long time no see ... ? 

Well the confusion is necessary but provided one realizes that one is confused . And how can one see that ? It also raises lot of questions isn't it ? Is reading K for years or knowing about him some way or the other holds the key to everything ? Aren't we supposed to  be do doing our bit of hard work which is needed ?  If not any thing at least just being open to what's people are talking  about . Why are they doing ? Questioning , inquiring ourselves ... 

  When we are talking about the debris of conditioning to clear away I would like you to reflect upon  whether the process of arriving at  clarity is it singularly isolated  , far from the reality of life around ? 

Well may be you also would like to go through ' traditions '  as being emphasized by K in the post 245 . 

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Fri, 08 Mar 2013 #252
Thumb_img_7089_copy Eve G. Indonesia 1570 posts in this forum Offline

pavani rao wrote:
“ All right . The American mind is gullible, superficial , vulgar . It’s very changeagle and believes in all sorts of specialists for every aspect of life . There is a specialist for religion , for sex , how to behave , live , how to sit , and how to comb your hair . It’s enthralled by entertainment , is highly commercial and so on .But it’s also very generous , naïve , open , curious , and active . “

Hi Pav,

I don't at all mind that out of them all you titled/picked on the American mind :). And although this is a generalization as K said, it is remarkably observant. He also told us one time not to send the Indian daughters to the Brockwood Park school in the UK because of 'corruptive influences and sexual promiscuity' :).

What he says about India and the Indians is also interesting and observant :) Any of us who lived in all three places, smile and recognize how true this sounds.

We all have our peculiar cultural traditions, should we focus on our differences or do our commonalities far out way our differences?

As for the shrinking of borders and the myth of a global community? In what manner does one observe this?

The nature of the change from disorder is silence.

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Fri, 08 Mar 2013 #253
Thumb_img_7089_copy Eve G. Indonesia 1570 posts in this forum Offline

pavani rao wrote:
We on the other hand have to decide where do we belong ... Reading K seemed to have caused more confusion in some  people than doing good as they sound neither here nor there ... 

Is this a fact? May we kindly look at it? Can we observe the need to 'belong' and what it may mean?

As one who has lived ALL of one's life in Asia, Europe and America, and is aware of others who 'belong' to this planet Earth with no need to identify with any nationality, one simply belongs. What is it that makes us feel otherwise?

The nature of the change from disorder is silence.

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Fri, 08 Mar 2013 #254
Thumb_beautiful-nature-wallpaper pavani rao India 541 posts in this forum Offline

Eve G. wrote:
also told us one time not to send the Indian daughters to the Brockwood Park school in the UK because of 'corruptive influences and sexual promiscuity

Hi Eve 

Well it's very interesting to hear K's  pronouncement on such an important issue ...and you are quite privileged  enough to have interacted with him in such close quarters and also quite lucky to have travelled around .  You know Eve  for me after a   certain period of reading his main books ,  his personal interactions with people and how he dealt with different issues brings forth the stark reality of how  utterly pragmatic a person he  is and so down to earth a teacher ... And when we are open to see all that we realize what a profound lesson it is ... 

Eve G. wrote:
all have our peculiar cultural traditions, should we focus on our differences or do our commonalities far out way our differences?

We can neither make do with our cultures / traditions , which forms  an integral part of our psyche and perhaps  our conditioning . Then doesn't it depend on us to be able to assimilate , co relate and move ahead using the great tools he had given us like observation , awareness of oneself and of everything around .... 

Eve G. wrote:
As for the shrinking of borders and the myth of a global community? In what manner does one observe this?

I do feel this Internet and how we are getting connected and interact with each other across the borders isn't it an example of shrinking borders , at least for people like me it's a great boon . Well it did become addictive to some extent but then one just can't help feeling relieved that one could get to-meet people who are in the same plight   without much exerting along and carrying on with one's day to day activities .:) 

Last but not the least it's ' Happy Woman's Day ' to all our women participants of the forum .. What ever that may mean :)

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Fri, 08 Mar 2013 #255
Thumb_img_7089_copy Eve G. Indonesia 1570 posts in this forum Offline

pavani rao wrote:
utterly pragmatic a person he  is and so down to earth a teacher ... And when we are open to see all that we realize what a profound lesson it is ... 

That is very observant of you :) I also feel this way, and also feel very lucky to have known the man. Can you imagine a boy from Mandagopale, in London all alone, a boy who forgot Hindi in an racist, snobbish society of that period?

pavani rao wrote:
Then doesn't it depend on us to be able to assimilate , co relate and move ahead using the great tools he had given us like observation , awareness of oneself and of everything around .... 

another excellent observation, yes it does. We see our traditions we understand we have been conditioned in this or that way. When in India I am Indian, I communicate like an Indian, I eat Indian food with my hands and I love it. I belong. When I am in America I often feel less comfortable because of what you call 'rude' and 'vulgar' but I assimilate fast :). I also feel at home there. The same goes for Europe. I didn't travel, I lived there in all three for many years. I still do. We observe our surrounding and we interact with it, but the bottom line is we are all human beings and not a label, so we loose the label fast :).

pavani rao wrote:
I do feel this Internet and how we are getting connected and interact with each other across the borders isn't it an example of shrinking borders ,

Happy womens day :) this year was hard for women in India, or maybe it was always hard to be women on this planet. :) Yes the internet and travel, TV all of this does make communications easier or more available. But as you can see from communicating here, the gulf/divisions between us all are still so hard to cross, don't you think?

And don't mind some of the rude western nonsense displayed here, its only conditioning and images ;)

The nature of the change from disorder is silence.

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Mon, 11 Mar 2013 #256
Thumb_beautiful-nature-wallpaper pavani rao India 541 posts in this forum Offline

Eve G. wrote:
Can we observe the need to 'belong' and what it may mean?

Hi Eve 

Sorry I couldn't come to this post of your's earlier . But then as we were discussing the beauty of these forums is one can respond , reciprocate and share one's perspectives as per one's conveniences . Isn't it ? :) 

Well as per the first part of  your post , as you are suggesting it will be good to discuss what does it mean to ' belong ' .... Let me start from my side and I also would be very keen to know from your side how you feel about it . 
I would consider this sense of belonging in it's very intrinsic nature is at the core of all living creatures .Starting with the primary , elementary sense of belonging  to a particular house hold , going on to belonging to particular groups ... Later on  one doesn't make much choices also , groups are formed as per one's characteristics and people of similar nature flocking together ... 
Man being a social animal and as it's a common understanding that we have a symbiotic existence with flora , fauna and with all the creatures of this Universe . Don't you think it will be for every body's advantage that things exist in peaceful , mutually beneficial way ...  

Eve G. wrote:
and is aware of others who 'belong' to this planet Earth with no need to identify with any nationality, one simply belongs

Belonging to no nationality but to this planet Earth ... Well it sounds good to hear that expression . Just remembering reading  what K used to say when that is the case and state of mind ... there comes extreme sense of responsibility and one just cannot think , not even in  one's wildest dreams of killing , hurting any thing , any body .   

Eve G. wrote:
What is it that makes us feel otherwise?

Isn't that a million dollar question ? :) and unfortunately I don't think one has million dollar response to give :) May be Eve as you have travelled more than me ( I can say that for India and a few months stint at the U.S for myself ) have some thing more to say ? :)

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Mon, 11 Mar 2013 #257
Thumb_rao kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao India 903 posts in this forum Offline

pavani rao wrote:
The point to ponder / reflect upon here is though the specific qualities described by K to different nationalities may be applicable to a great extent but may not be very valid in the same sequence as he himself referred to all that as a very generalization … it would be good to explore into the words of tradition , fragmentation , broken up … just to site a few . And I also feel in the increasing scenario of shrinking borders , nationalities and the world’s global village is there any mind specifically pertained to any country ?
life is celebration

Perhaps that is the typical mind set of an individual who intends to go to a place of "land of opportunities.There are several Indians migrated to U.S.A just as a reaction to (though not much due to cast,but they still feel for their cast)cast politics.U.S.A is perhaps a place of opportunities who had some traditional absurdities in their place of origin.

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Wed, 13 Mar 2013 #258
Thumb_img_7089_copy Eve G. Indonesia 1570 posts in this forum Offline

pavani rao wrote:
Isn't that a million dollar question ? :) and unfortunately I don't think one has million dollar response to give :) May be Eve as you have travelled more than me ( I can say that for India and a few months stint at the U.S for myself ) have some thing more to say ? :)

How did you feel when in the USA? Is it what others say about us, or is it the way we perceive that dictates belonging or not belonging:)?

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Fri, 15 Mar 2013 #259
Thumb_beautiful-nature-wallpaper pavani rao India 541 posts in this forum Offline

Eve G. wrote:
How did you feel when in the USA? Is it what others say about us,

No Eve ,  my  stay in the U .S was only for  a very short while and that to  I went there to spend some time with my daughter's family :) similar trip I'm planning in a couple of months time again . Hmm this time planning to fulfill a  small wish of a trip to Ojai , just to get the feel of the place.

Well my observations had been one of awe and wonder at those people's technological excellence , sheer determination in planning , organizing and seeing through things as of exist in the present day world . Well on the other  hand    the country and the people do have their own gory side of story . ( I'm not an expert in History , Geography , so let me limit  myself there only :)     

To get a hang on anything or to get to know the pulse of the people one needs to spend considerable amount of time living there , isn't it ? 

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Sat, 23 Mar 2013 #260
Thumb_img_7089_copy Eve G. Indonesia 1570 posts in this forum Offline

pavani rao wrote:
No Eve ,  my  stay in the U .S was only for  a very short while and that to  I went there to spend some time with my daughter's family :) similar trip I'm planning in a couple of months time again . Hmm this time planning to fulfill a  small wish of a trip to Ojai , just to get the feel of the place.

Keep in mind that today Ojai and Ojai of the past are far from being the same. But there are several places where there is an opportunity to see Ojai pictures before and after the war.

pavani rao wrote:
To get a hang on anything or to get to know the pulse of the people one needs to spend considerable amount of time living there , isn't it ? 

Yes and no. Each time you go you will understand different things :). Maybe a longer stay expands that understanding.

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Mon, 25 Mar 2013 #261
Thumb_beautiful-nature-wallpaper pavani rao India 541 posts in this forum Offline

Eve G. wrote:
Keep in mind that today Ojai and Ojai of the past are far from being the same.

Hey Eve 

Thanks for coming back to that post , and informing me about Ojai . Well it's good to know what to expect or what not to expect .. :)  if at all I can make it to that place  . 
 
Well I could not come back to addressing to this post of your's as I sort of went for a short break ... Not one of those coffee breaks though :) 

I do want to share with you all the experiences of this wonderful safari we-ventured into ( a group of five close family members along with other tourists ) .

 I wonder  if you have travelled in Karnataka  you  might have heard about Bandipur , the second largest forest areas of the country  , which had been converted into a tiger reserve for the past some years , because of  its once great strengths of Tiger population . well it's again a different sad story that it had taken  so long for the government to take some action as this forest's once extensive tiger population  dwindled so drastically because of rigorous , unchecked  poaching , smuggling at the national and international level . 

Fortunately for us that day we could watch this huge tiger crouching  / sleeping half submerged in a small water body and half of it's facial part resting on the bank from let us say a distance of 100 yards . Oh ! What a sight it is to behold ! We are all sitting in the vehicles spent almost half an hour  quietly watching , musing , admiring the animal .  And let me also tell you the whole trip had been so good as we could watch other than  this tiger plenty of deer , a huge tusker , wild boars , peacocks , various other rare species of birds and that day we could even sight a leopard from a very far away distance  though ... 

 Hey don't feel jealous :) and by the way I did enjoy reading  the recipe  of egg salad  or is it sandwich by you , B . T and Mina  ! :)  Coming to food part let me tell you  shortly I'm planning to try making pumpkin soup mentioned   by Paul  in one of his posts  ... Ha ! but pumpkin is not  my favorite vegetable . 
 

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Mon, 25 Mar 2013 #262
Thumb_stringio B Teulada Portugal 388 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

pavani rao wrote:
Fortunately for us that day we could watch this huge tiger crouching / sleeping half submerged in a small water body and half of it's facial part resting on the bank from let us say a distance of 100 yards

Hi Pavani, I would love to see that. India must be such a fantastic country to visit. We had almost made plans to visit some time ago, but then the Euro crisis made us undo them.... :-P

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Mon, 25 Mar 2013 #263
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Eve G. wrote:
Keep in mind that today Ojai and Ojai of the past are far from being the same. But there are several places where there is an opportunity to see Ojai pictures before and after the war.

Is that so?I shall watch it.I am leaving St.Pual,Minneapolis for Ojai on 7 -04-2013 for Spring Programme for about a week.I should be able to see what it is at this moment.

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Mon, 25 Mar 2013 #264
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pavani rao wrote:
Hey don't feel jealous :) and by the way I did enjoy reading  the recipe  of egg salad  or is it sandwich by you , B . T and Mina  ! :)  Coming to food part let me tell you  shortly I'm planning to try making pumpkin soup mentioned   by Paul  in one of his posts  ... Ha ! but pumpkin is not  my favorite vegetable . 

And yes we are making lots of eggzaktlies and egg salads here :) I love pumpkin soup and it is also not my favorite veg.

As for seeing the Tiger yes I have been to

pavani rao wrote:
in Karnataka  you  might have heard about Bandipur

I have been there as a child with my father and again about 20 years ago. There was lots more tiger then. They have been killing them for Chinese traditional medicine to make sexual concoctions. Sad isn't it?

Do you remember the K journal when he saw the Tiger and put his hand out the window to pet it? I am pretty sure it is in the same place.

Ahhh India, Tiger and Dosa ;) forget pumpkin soup, Dosa with that white coconut chutney for breakfast yesssss.....

The nature of the change from disorder is silence.

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Mon, 25 Mar 2013 #265
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kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
Is that so?I shall watch it.I am leaving St.Pual,Minneapolis for Ojai on 7 -04-2013 for Spring Programme for about a week.I should be able to see what it is at this moment.

Much better than St. Paul ;) and go for long walks amongst the orange groves that some few still remain and in the hills amongst the silent rocks....it is a very special place, no wonder K lived there. Some of the best childhood memories I have are of Ojai in the 60's.

The nature of the change from disorder is silence.

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Wed, 27 Mar 2013 #266
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Eve G. wrote:
Do you remember the K journal when he saw the Tiger and put his hand out the window to pet it? I am pretty sure it is in the same place.

K journal  ... Well of all K's work , I find this book very deep , many many times more intense  and some  how touches different chord in oneself . So I don't prefer reading it very often . 
Well yes I remember reading  K very fondly wanting to touch a dangerous snake ( perhaps Cobra ) and the villagers who were passing by warn him not to do so ....  But the tiger episode , I don't think remember reading  , may be haven't reached that part of the book .    

Eve G. wrote:
Dosa with that white coconut chutney for breakfast yesssss

Dosa with white chutney doesn't sound so exciting for us as it is almost an every day breakfast affair for us here at home . 

Hey Eve now I think it's my turn to feel jealous of you :)  Such rich  varied life you have lived ... Lucky enough to have been exposed to so many  different countries / cultures and  of all to be able to spend time in the presence of the man of whom we study , discuss day and night in here.

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Thu, 28 Mar 2013 #267
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kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
I am leaving St.Pual,Minneapolis for Ojai on 7 -04-2013 for Spring Programme for about a week.I should be able to see what it is at this moment.

Hi Arjun 

Well some body seems to be quite rich there , can afford to go all the way to attend K gathering in Ojai . :) 

Or may be you too are one of my kinds . Gone there to spend  time  with children and enjoying the double bonus of doing what we all consider to be one of it's  kinds    purposes of listening and attending to these gatherings at least once to see and feel what it's like ?! :) 

Don't forget to jot in few lines of your experiences ,and how it felt . 

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Thu, 28 Mar 2013 #268
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pavani rao wrote:
Well some body seems to be quite rich there , can afford to go all the way to attend K gathering in Ojai . :)

Oh! Not at all.

pavani rao wrote:
Or may be you too are one of my kinds . Gone there to spend time with children and enjoying the double bonus of doing what we all consider to be one of it's kinds>>purposes of listening and attending to these gatherings at least once to see and feel what it's like ?! :)

And,this is true.My daughter resides in St.Paul.I came with her in november after her mothers demise,and would be back to Hyderabad in mid May..Sure I shall report once I am back from Ojai if there is anything really worth while to doing so.

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Thu, 28 Mar 2013 #269
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kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
came with her in november after her mothers demise,

That's very sad to know , and it's a great loss . 

But at the same time don't you feel lucky to have a caring daughter / family . 

May be that's how we pull along in life .. counting our blessings ( when we look around we see we are far more better and luckier than many people ) 

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Sat, 13 Apr 2013 #270
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THE PERFUME OF THE TEACHING
( working with Krishnamurti )   J  Krishnamurti in dialogue with trustees

Just flipping through the pages of this wonderful book  which  incidentally , surprisingly  suggested and sent by my younger daughter  .... The book is a revelation in many aspects . In each chapter and at every 10 minutes time K is reminding the trustees  that he will be dead the very next day or in next few days then what will be the responsibility of the foundation members and the trustees of all the foundations  and how are  they going to work together and  keep the spirit of the teaching alive ... 

In the very first chapter  " You have drunk at the fountain " 
He asks at the very beginning of the 1977 dialogues if there are people “who have drunk at the fountain, and can carry on from there. Not merely quoting K but getting the spirit of it, the truth of it, the vitality of it, the energy of it, and the perfume of it " . 

Well apart from the above observations what struck  me very interesting are the titles of 11 chapters of this book which I'm going to write below 

1 . You Have Drunk at the Fountain
2. Who Will Keep the Whole Thing Flowering?
3. Can You Convey that Perfume?
4. Can this Be Kept Alive Flowering Forever Timelessly?
5. You Are Responsible for a Treasure
6. Will the Study Centres Help Me to End Sorrow?
7. Don’t Come to the Well with a Small Bucket
8. Can You Listen Without the Movement of Knowledge?
9. The Teachings Cover the Whole Field of Life
10. Is K Talking from the Silence of Truth?
11. The Excellent Flower of Goodness

Well I think  that's all for now , as it's going to take  a while for me to get to the gist of the book ... Will be glad to go into discussion if any one had read this book .  

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