Welcome to the thread Insight.

Use this thread to post any new flashes of insight you might have had in life, commentaries on life that you might want to share with others in lines of the teachings of JK.

This thread is also a general thread for other users to discuss further or comment on the insight or commentary shared by the user.

You may also ask questions that may ultimately lead to an insight.

To begin, let me start with a question for enquiry:

Is there an end to search and truth seeking?

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

This post was last updated by Dappling Light (account deleted) Wed, 27 Jan 2010.

Dappling Light wrote:
Is there an end to search and truth seeking?

Is that a right question? Isn't it asking for projection and conjecture?

That's my insight question. :)

To seek truth is to not find it. You can only find what you already know and according to your own conditioning. The following has been pointed out on this forum over and over again; when a person seeks something he is inventing the seeker and the sought after, the observer and the observed. This division is an illusion. We don't have to be any kind of special person to see this.

There is no path to truth

Truth is truth, one, alone; it has no sides, no paths; all paths do not lead to truth. There is no path to truth, it must come to you. Truth can come to you only when your mind and heart are simple, clear, and there is love in your heart; not if your heart is filled with the things of the mind. When there is love in your heart, you do not talk about organizing for brotherhood; you do not talk about belief, you do not talk about division or the powers that create division, you need not seek reconciliation. Then you are a simple human being without a label, without a country. This means that you must strip yourself of all those things and allow truth to come into being; and it can only come when the mind is empty, when the mind ceases to create. Then it will come without your invitation. Then it will come as swiftly as the wind and unbeknown. It comes obscurely, not when you are watching, wanting. It is there as sudden as sunlight, as pure as the night; but to receive it, the heart must be full and the mind empty. Now you have the mind full and your heart empty.

J. Krishnamurti The Collected Works Vol. V Benares, India 1949

This post was last updated by David Loucks (account deleted) Wed, 20 Jan 2010.

Dave,

You quoted Krishnamurti, "There is no path to truth, it must come to you. Truth can come to you only when your mind and heart are simple, clear, and there is love in your heart; not if your heart is filled with the things of the mind."

So the action to be taken, on our part, is to see why our minds and hearts are not simple and clear, and to see why there is no love in our hearts. The right action is not to go riding off in a quest for truth.

Why are things not simple and clear for us? It is because our sight is obscured by consciousness, which is thought. Consciousness is nothing more than our last thought. But they keep coming.

max

Hi David,Welcome back,It's actually beautiful,this simple step of total self abandonment so much for intellectual pretense,bickering,attack,and defense,ect. ect. ect.

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

Dappling Light wrote:
Is there an end to search and truth seeking?

obviously not. Searching and seeking contribute to further fragmentation of the mind.
Only inquiry, which is the seeing, can attend truth.

Dappling Light wrote:
Is there an end to search and truth seeking?

If one is out on a journey to search and seek truth, then there is no end to this journey.Truth is where you are, all of us have heard this.But still each one of us has to undertake this journey. Why?

FLOW WITH LIFE!

Dappling Light wrote:
Is there an end to search and truth seeking?

Yes. No. Maybe.

the one who looks down on it, in the highest heaven, only he knows- or perhaps he does not know.

There is a spiritual humor behind it . have you notic4ed it?
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

This post was last updated by ganesan balachandran Thu, 21 Jan 2010.

ganesan balachandran wrote:
only he knows- or perhaps he does not know.

But why do we care to know such things as these? Because our bellies are too full? Our minds and time, are too unoccupied meaningfully?

Randal Shacklett wrote:
Yes. No. Maybe.

Randal Shacklett wrote:
But why do we care to know such things as these? Because our bellies are too full?

no my dear Randal, iam just pointing out a similar ancient insight to what you have just said.how come we are not able to go beyond it. my understanding comes to, that we are programmed and conditioned without our knowledge, by those vibrations.which are being perpetuated and preserved through that chants.They do it without knowing the meaning, paying full attention only on the metrical form.
gb

gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

ganesan balachandran wrote:
no my dear Randal, iam just pointing out a similar ancient insight to what you have just said.how come we are not able to go beyond it

Sorry dude, I was refering to the origional question. ;o)

Randal Shacklett wrote:
Yes. No. Maybe.

There could be a state where we could go beyond silence not limited by logical boundaries.

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

Dappling Light wrote:
There could be a state where we could go beyond silence not limited by logical boundaries.

Why should one concern one's self, with what could be?
If there is an end to seeking, will it come by speculating about the end of knowledge/seeking?

Maybe I could get more, from exploring (silently) why my mind is attracted to such useless actitvities, as spiritual speculation?

Then there is no dialogue. Without dialogue or relationship mirror it is not possible to think about the ending in isolation.

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

Dappling Light wrote:
Then there is no dialogue. Without dialogue or relationship mirror it is not possible to think about the ending in isolation

What you are doing, is not dialogue. Relationship is not a mirror for most, it is a means to an end. We are hiding behind these catch phrases, and not relating or enquiring at all. So where does that then leave us?

Randal Shacklett wrote:
We are hiding behind these catch phrases

I am the catch phrase. There is no observer and observed. Getting stuck at this point could be of some benefit. To realize that one is the word, the thought.

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

Dappling Light wrote:
To realize that one is the word, the thought.

Yes, that's it, there is no sacred me or spiritual me, only these stupid meaningless catch phrases I am constantly repeating, as though I had, in actuality, lived them. So how does this realization affect my behavior? Can I continue on the same path? If I do continue on the same insane path, can I really say that I have this clear realization?

This post was last updated by Randal Shacklett (account deleted) Sat, 23 Jan 2010.

Randal Shacklett wrote:
So how does this realization affect my behavior? Can I continue on the same path? If I do continue on the same insane path, can I really say that I have this clear realization?

How will you find out? :)

"See thought arising; watch it. Without that, all else is illusion and becoming."

Dean R. Smith wrote:
How will you find out? :)

Yes, how will the mind find the fact, consistantly? By speculating about what we think?

Randal Shacklett wrote:
Yes, how will the mind find the fact, consistantly? By speculating about what we think?

Speculation can only bring about an intellectual appreciation of something believed to be true.

The mind does not have to 'consistently find the fact'. The realization is the being of that fact.

"See thought arising; watch it. Without that, all else is illusion and becoming."

Dean R. Smith wrote:
The realization is the being of that fact.

Nice idea, where did you get it?

Randal Shacklett wrote:
Nice idea, where did you get it?

It's not an idea.

"See thought arising; watch it. Without that, all else is illusion and becoming."

Dean R. Smith wrote:
It's not an idea.

Well then, there it is then. No more need to explore, right?

Randal Shacklett wrote:
Well then, there it is then. No more need to explore, right?

Will you find out on the internet? :)

"See thought arising; watch it. Without that, all else is illusion and becoming."

Dean R. Smith wrote:
The mind does not have to 'consistently find the fact'. The realization is the being of that fact.

Bingo!

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

RICK LEIN wrote:
Bingo!

Was it a big pot, you young whippersnapper? :)

"See thought arising; watch it. Without that, all else is illusion and becoming."

Dean R. Smith wrote:
Will you find out on the internet? :)

Yes, apparently just by reading your postings. ;p)

Randal Shacklett wrote:
Yes, apparently just by reading your postings. ;p)

Well, now we're back to "intellectual appreciation". Anyways, that'll be $5 please. :)

"See thought arising; watch it. Without that, all else is illusion and becoming."

Dean R. Smith wrote:
Was it a big pot, you young whippersnapper? :)

It was just big enough,for the moment.

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE