How we look to our reactions? Is the pass, the known, present in the later conclusions we arrive about what we think we are or there is only purposelessness and silence, the unknown, with a inexpressible feeling of closeness and plenitude? (Excuse my English, please).

I would just suggest that most people look at their reactions, like they do anything else, with judgement, conclusions all based on the past experiences accumulated over a lifetime. But that's just my opinion.

Randal Shacklett wrote:
I would just suggest that most people look at their reactions, like they do anything else, with judgement, conclusions all based on the past experiences accumulated over a lifetime

Hi Randal: I agree with you, when we look with judgments and conclusions based on the past, the known, we establish the division and the struggle for our idea of ?change?. Understanding take place in the mind, only when we are not there, when our will and self control is discard without effort.

Angel Miolan wrote:
Understanding take place in the mind, only when we are not there, when our will and self control is discard without effort.

To discard our will and self control without effort is a contradiction. The self will be always present in this activity of discarding. Choiceless awareness is not about discarding anything.

FLOW WITH LIFE!

This post was last updated by Dr.sudhir sharma Sat, 06 Mar 2010.

Randal Shacklett wrote:
I would just suggest that most people look at their reactions,...

No, sir, most people do not look at their reactions. When they make a judgement or arrive at a conclusion, they are only reacting to a previous thought. So, it is reaction...reaction... reaction and no looking.-Regards.

FLOW WITH LIFE!

ganesan balachandran wrote:
Who really knows? Who will proclaim it? Whence was it produced? Whence is this creation? The gods came afterwards, with the creation of this universe. Who then knows whence it has arisen....

Hi Ganesan: It is important to be aware of any possible false approximation or trick of desire seeking results in mind transformation, but I feel we can discern when genuine insight happens. Precisely because the conflict, the centered thoughts, and the activity of the pass has been put aside. At that moment there is no entity to feel it and proclaim the ownership of that. But it happens. The occurrence of this openings of the mind shows us that understanding can be part of common life. Angel.

Angel Miolan wrote:
Understanding take place in the mind, only when we are not there, when our will and self control is discard without effort.

That's all nice and well Angel, but I wonder what you mean when you say "effort"?

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
No, sir, most people do not look at their reactions.

Well then, I guess that settles that then, eh doc?

If I understand that the one who try to change by using the will or the intellect is the same that have to change, I simply don't do this way of action.When I'm aware of doing this again, I discard without effort continue doing this nonsense .Angel.

Angel Miolan wrote:
When I'm aware of doing this again,...

If one is aware of doing it, then that is enough.No need to discard anything or consider it a nonsense.

FLOW WITH LIFE!

Randal Shacklett wrote:
Well then, I guess that settles that then, eh doc?

Not with the question mark at the end, Sir.

FLOW WITH LIFE!

Dear friends: I feel is necessary to say that I don?t have any interest in achieved a point of view, a definition or a discussion. I believe we share auto knowledge and reality in forums like Kinfonet and is a lost of energy compete with our friends in any possible way. But because is important to us to have the same definitions to be able to use the same language about Mutation of the Mind, I quote JK about this expression of ?discard without effort? .from the book: ?Talks in Europe? 1962-1963 in his Spanish version; La Mente Mecánica, Tragedia del hombre y del Mundo, page 210.
I can find many others occasions when Jiddu use the same expression to refer about topics like Observation without the Observer, Awareness, real Meditation, etc. I don?t want to give the false impression of being involved in authority values as a follower, etc. I just quote K., because I feel his words can give us clarity about this point in discussion.

JK: ?When you live this tent, die for something you are attach; your habit of smoking, your sexual appetite, your anxiety to be famous like an artist, a poet, or whatever. Simply leave it, eliminate it in the same way you discard some stupid thing without effort, without choice, without decision. If you died totally for it, -and not only the abandon of cigarettes or drinking, that you create a tremendous thing of them-you will know what is the significance of live in a supreme moment, without effort, with all your being; and then, maybe, a door to the unknown can be opened.? Regards, Angel.