Do you think that it is possible to live in society, to interact and communicate with others, if you are not conditioned?

Alanna Eileen wrote:
Do you think that it is possible to live in society, to interact and communicate with others, if you are not conditioned?

hello Alanna or Eileen which one is your first name?

when you say conditioned , i will suppose you mean conditioned for competition, greed, success, fame, seeking for money, power and so on...
conditioned by society , parents, school, advertising, TV, so called news , newspapers, and more including yourself as your desires , fears and own taste, well that is a lot...
well, it seems that a real answer is: it is difficult, if you don't want to give a minute of your time for an insane society, well....??
you know i see that by giving you a chance to be abnormal may produce something unexpected, which means plenty things, including having some idea of how we function, and see from there ,when some deep understanding occurs...
if your question is more: how do you yourself to cope to live in the society ...?
well, one way is to say what you feel, i do that and it is fine...a lot of people may look at you at a weird person, can you live with it ?
interacting and communicating ,well you have to know where not to go too far according to yours and others understanding, that will be your decision...how do you situate yourself in that society, which wants you to reach fame, success and money for the power?

all the best....

lost in tragedy...

Alanna, that is a very interesting question. Here is the way I see it. We are society, we have made society what it is. Society is a reflection of the way we view life. We are conditioned so society is conditioned. If we are not conditioned we are not a part of society. But we can communicate with society.

Further, our conditioning forms an image of who we are and of who others are. We have an image of our wives or husbands and they have an image of us. We try to relate to each other through these images. If we are aware of our conditioning, of our self image and the image we have of others as it occurs, then are we relating without the filter of our conditioning? If so, then our interaction with each other is reality based as opposed to being based on our conditioning which is the past.

Don't listen to me or others on this site who may respond to your question. Find out for yourself if you can talk to someone, a relative or friend, without seeing them or yourself through the images you have formed. Through the past.

Conditioning is not something to try to deny but to see it as it happens. On the physical level conditioning is necessary to function. Conditioning is what allows us to know how to drive a car, play a guitar, cook a meal and all the other things we do to live. It's when we internalize conditioning that the trouble begins. You don't have to end conditioning just be aware of it as it occurs between physical events when you are sitting quietly.

But what do you think, Alanna Eileen? After reading the second answer you gave on your K interview I think you may understand a lot more than I do. That statement you gave blew me away.

This post was last updated by David Loucks (account deleted) Sat, 06 Mar 2010.

David Loucks wrote:
You don't have to end conditioning just be aware of it as it occurs between physical events when you are sitting quietly.

Hi David,welcome back,and thanks for that post,right to the point as always!

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

David Loucks wrote:
Don't listen to me or others on this site who may respond to your question. Find out for yourself if you can talk to someone, a relative or friend, without seeing them or yourself through the images you have formed. Through the past.

hello David
why do you bother writing about it so ? excuse me but i don't understand you say don't listen to me and then why say something?
regards..

lost in tragedy...

daniel moru wrote:
hello David why do you bother writing about it so ? excuse me but i don't understand you say don't listen to me and then why say something? regards..

Hi Dan,take the entire statement in context,he is saying,you must find out for yourself,is he not?

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RICK LEIN wrote:
Hi Dan,take the entire statement in context,he is saying,you must find out for yourself,is he not?

yes you are right, i was kidding David..regards

lost in tragedy...

Alanna Eileen wrote:
Do you think that it is possible to live in society, to interact and communicate with others, if you are not conditioned?

Dear friend,

please read carefully again what you have written, for reply there is a "condition" of not conditioned, because a conditioned how can say if there is any communication possible when he w'd be not conditioned, and again any other's answer how can help you.

If you think K was not conditioned, then see if he was able to communicate with society or not.

But after all exercise, question is that was this question a right question? or it asked,because there was nothing to ask, so ask anything.

I don't know

This post was last updated by dhirendra singh Sat, 06 Mar 2010.

dhirendra singh wrote:
question is that was this question a right question?

This is a very valid question, friend. Just try answering this question " Is there a God ?" and you will realise the validity of the question.

FLOW WITH LIFE!

David Loucks wrote:
Conditioning is what allows us to know how to drive a car, play a guitar, cook a meal and all the other things we do to live.

Sir, if knowledge of the above actions is because of conditioning, then is 'doing' of them also a conditioned response ? Can't conditioning raise its head during physical activity ? To what one should pay attention to if this is happening ?

FLOW WITH LIFE!

Alanna Eileen wrote:
if you are not conditioned?

Everyone is conditioned/programmed. Can one act sanely, in spite of condition, might be a better question.

Randal Shacklett wrote:

Everyone is conditioned/programmed. Can one act sanely, in spite of condition, might be a better question.

Yes, I think that's a very good question! I could ask, Is it possible to live without conditioning?, but I think that it is really not possible for the self to not be conditioned and therefore anything outside of conditioning would probably be outside the realm of thought, of self. I don't know. But I think that is a great question, whether we can live simply and sanely in spite of being conditioned, if it is indeed the case that the self cannot shake off the very conditioning that appears to constitute it.

Ah, I just confuse myself. I am very glad to have read these responses though. David Louks, your great reply made a lot of things much clearer for me, so I thank you sincerely!

mark exley wrote:
Dead today, cured tomorrow.

Now he can raise the dead!

mark exley wrote:
The memory is not on fire.

but it certainly lit it, no?

Alanna Eileen wrote:
but I think that it is really not possible for the self to not be conditioned

The self and conditioning, are not two seperate phenomenon, so no, it isn't possible.

Alanna Eileen wrote:
made a lot of things much clearer for me,

Sorry Alanna, clarity does not come in degrees.

Dear Allana,
Yes

mark exley wrote:
That people are communicating is an illusion.

Communication, the exchange of accurate information, seems pervasive in the species. The pyramids, come to mind as some heavy communication 10, 000 or so years ago. technologically we can communicate because the exchange of information helps and is useful there. However, in human interpersonal interaction, information exchange seems quite inadequate to the task.

David Loucks wrote:
Society is a reflection of the way we view life. We are conditioned so society is conditioned.

Society is a reflection of the way the mind works.
How is society conditioned? describe some of the manifestations of society being conditioned, please.

David Loucks wrote:
Conditioning is what allows us to know how to drive a car, play a guitar,

i play the guitar quite well without conditioning. It is only when I need to learn something new that thinking is required.

Conditioning allows us to like and dislike, accept and reject, compare and contrast, it allows us to live in a world of good-bad, right-wrong, etc..

David Loucks wrote:
just be aware of it as it occurs between physical events when you are sitting quietly.

How about when my spouse calls me something ugly, and I don't like it, shouldn't I be aware of my conditioned response then? What if someone cuts me off in traffic and I get mad as hell, shouldn't I be aware of that conditioned response, while it is actually happening, rather than waiting for a quiet moment to replay events and try to do better next time?

RICK LEIN wrote:
you must find out for yourself,is he not?

Yes, but even Mark exely says stuff a monkey could repeat. Why do you like david, but dislike mark, when they are both doing the same basic thing? Your conditioning?

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
then is 'doing' of them also a conditioned response ?

Nice question doc. That is my meditation for tonight!

mark exley wrote:
If you wrote that sober, God help you, child! And get the other lobe removed as well

nice one.

Randal Shacklett wrote:
The self and conditioning, are not two seperate phenomenon, so no, it isn't possible

Yep,thanks Randal.

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

Randal Shacklett wrote:
Why do you like david, but dislike mark, when they are both doing the same basic thing? Your conditioning?

One has never said they dislike mark,one has questioned the statements he has made. That's all!

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Randal Shacklett wrote:
Yes, but even Mark exely says stuff a monkey could repeat.

What have you got against the monkey to insult him like that?

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RICK LEIN wrote:
One has never said they dislike mark,

I didn't mean personally, just that you accept what david says as fact but question mark, when they are both doing the same basic thing.

Randal Shacklett wrote:
What if someone cuts me off in traffic and I get mad as hell, shouldn't I be aware of that conditioned response, while it is actually happening, rather than waiting for a quiet moment to replay events and try to do better next time?
Thanks!

I wanted to say it, but you said it, then what will I say, I want to make all reader aware that Randal knows telepathy and steals my good thoughts, so all good posts written by him, are actually mine, but all the bad posts are no doubt of him:)

I don't know

dhirendra singh wrote:
but all the bad posts are no doubt of him:)

No doubts. ;o)