Is it yet another promise of that which is in silence, when matter of the brain contacts the mind? And is that contact of brain with mind the abode of energy, intelligence, compassion, love? Are these empty promises of the teachings, or opportunities to the mundane for the ending of sorrow?

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." J. Krishnamurti

The teaching doesn't promise anything.

The teaching points to human disorder. One either accepts responsibility for that disorder, or one does not.

Why do humans always look for reward? Part of the disorder/conditioning perhaps?

The promise is inferred. When carrots are dangled (bliss, energy, intelligence, love and compassion) it seems like a promise that silence of the brain yields those fruits. So when Krishnamurti spoke of the "bliss of compassion", I am interested. I am very interested in bliss and freedom from sorrow. Why? Sentience, as one of our human faculties, attributes our preference for bliss over sorrow. So what is the bliss of compassion, can one live with it daily?

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." J. Krishnamurti

This post was last updated by Ruth Bass Mon, 08 Mar 2010.

Ruth Marie Bass wrote:
Sentience, as one of our human faculties, attributes our preference for bliss over sorrow

Can one have the one without the other? Are they not two sides to the same coin?Can one be free to look with any preconceived notions of expectation of result?

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Ruth Marie Bass wrote:
So what is the bliss of compassion, can one live with it daily?

Can one see it now,in each moment,as it is?

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Ruth Marie Bass wrote:
I am very interested in bliss and freedom from sorrow.

Interested as in the result or undertaking the journey of discovery ?

Freedom from sorrow will also mean freedom from pain, pleasure, dependency, fear etc.- all related to freedom from the self. The way to this is the journey of self knowledge. When the movement of thought as becoming stops,one is free from sorrow, pain, fear etc. Then another Movement starts- by products of which are bliss, love, intelligence etc.This movement is a moment to moment affair.

Ruth Marie Bass wrote:
So what is the bliss of compassion, can one live with it daily?

The first part of the question is unanswerable in words and the second part is not applicable to THAT which has moment to moment existence.- Regards.

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Patricia Hemingway wrote:
The teaching points to human disorder.

Krishnamurti pointed to human chaos and disorder. The teachings point towards the door.

Ruth Marie Bass wrote:
The promise is inferred. When carrots are dangled (bliss, energy, intelligence, love and compassion) it seems like a promise that silence of the brain yields those fruits. So when Krishnamurti spoke of the "bliss of compassion", I am interested. I am very interested in bliss and freedom from sorrow. Why? Sentience, as one of our human faculties, attributes our preference for bliss over sorrow. So what is the bliss of compassion, can one live with it daily?

If one wants to see carrots dangled, one will see dangling carrots.

Everyone is interested in attaining 'bliss and freedom from sorrow' - ready-made - on a stick - like a lollypop! Surely projected 'bliss and freedom from sorrow' is at the root of all desire.

But K was constantly questioning such desire - not promising to fulfill it. The teaching is about understanding the disorder of humanity - seeing the fact of thought out of place in the psychological. Where is the promise of bliss in that?

People saw a certain stillness in K and thought - "I want some of that". So it becomes 'the promise'. There is no actuality in such an imagined 'promise'.

The teaching is far more about taking responsibility for the whole of human disorder. But that is not what people desire to hear, so instead, they hear 'promises'.

This post was last updated by Patricia Hemingway Tue, 09 Mar 2010.

Patricia Hemingway wrote:
The teaching is far more about taking responsibility for the whole of human disorder. But that is not what people desire to hear, so instead, they hear 'promises'.

Nothing to add here except a thanks Patricia!

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