Krishnamurti & the Art of Awakening
General Discussion | moderated by Dev Singh

Is awareness a by-product of the brain ?


Displaying all 5 posts
Page 1 of 1
Sat, 18 Mar 2017 #1
Thumb_photo_jg4 Jean Gatti Belgium 8638 posts in this forum Offline

Most mainstream scientists and neurologists today consider that awareness (or consciousness) is the by-product of matter complexity in the brain, an 'emerging pattern' of matter complexity.

But is it so ?

Up to now no evidence has been found to support this hypothesis, no 'awareness center' has been discovered in the brain or elsewhere in the body.

This 'problem' of finding the original cause of consciousness has been called 'the hard problem of consciousness' ... and up to now is still unresolved.

Why can't science find it ? Why is it so difficult to find the cause of awareness ?

nb: in this disussion the words 'awareness' and 'consciousness' are meant as synonimous

Why resist 'what is' ?

Sign in to recommend
Back to Top
Sat, 18 Mar 2017 #2
Thumb_photo_jg4 Jean Gatti Belgium 8638 posts in this forum Offline

Here's an interesting video where K suggests that 'Mind' (which is 'intelligence') would be 'outside' the brain ...

Could we speak about the brain and the mind?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymu9ZoaDZsA

Saanen, Switzerland 1983 - Question #2 from Question and Answer Meeting #2

At 26:00 of this video K says:

K: "As the mind is outside the brain, the mind is not contained in the brain, but outside ... we have discussed this sometimes (nb: I guess here that K has discussed this issue with scientists), they say 'yes' ... perhaps to please me ... or ... he maybe has a hole in his head, but ..."

So we see here how prudent K is to make this statement ... he knows this is not the mainstream scientific theory ... nor the generally accepted Western understanding ... still he had to say it, late in his life ...

Why resist 'what is' ?

This post was last updated by Jean Gatti Sat, 18 Mar 2017.

Sign in to recommend
Back to Top
Sat, 18 Mar 2017 #3
Thumb_photo_jg4 Jean Gatti Belgium 8638 posts in this forum Offline

FULL TEXT of this video here:

J. KRISHNAMURTI

Second QUESTION& ANSWER MEETING in Saanen 25 JULY 1983

http://jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings...

"And the questioner asks: as the mind is outside the brain, the mind is not contained in the brain, but outside. We have discussed this with some scientists and they say yes, perhaps casually to please me, or theoretically they see, but we are talking - the speaker is talking factually for himself. Right? He may have a hole in his head but... "

Why resist 'what is' ?

Sign in to recommend
Back to Top
Sat, 18 Mar 2017 #4
Thumb_photo_jg4 Jean Gatti Belgium 8638 posts in this forum Offline

Now a question might arise:

Why is it important to understand that mind (and consciousness) is outside the brain ? What does this understanding 'teach' us ?

Why resist 'what is' ?

Sign in to recommend
Back to Top
Thu, 27 Apr 2017 #5
Thumb_photo saurab marjara India 58 posts in this forum Offline

Jean Gatti wrote:
Why is it important to understand that mind (and consciousness) is outside the brain ? What does this understanding 'teach' us ?

Well, it teaches us that there is an immaterial universe out there, in which a part of ourselves is present. It also teaches us that the brain is an instrument of the mind. The brain is the physical counterpart of the immaterial mind..

Sign in to recommend
Back to Top
Displaying all 5 posts
Page 1 of 1
To quote a portion of this post in your reply, first select the text and then click this "Quote" link.

(N.B. Be sure to insert an empty line between the quoted text and your reply.)