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What is death? Is it a static thing or a living thing?


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Sat, 10 Mar 2018 #1
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What is death?

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Sat, 10 Mar 2018 #2
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Is dieing to the past an act of will or it happens naturally without any effort when one's values are changed?

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Sun, 11 Mar 2018 #3
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So to die to the past means dieing to the self which is the past and the future. Time is the essence of the self or thought. Now the question is what is the entity that decides to die to the self , is it another thought or is it intelligence that sees the futility of the self and it's activities?

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Sun, 11 Mar 2018 #4
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If it is another thought that decides to die or abandon the self then there must be a clear motive behind it which is again time , therfore continuity not real death.

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Sun, 11 Mar 2018 #5
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Thought is the outcome of the past which is a dead thing. Thought repeats and sustain itself by repetition. Thought is blind, it cannot see what it is doing. There has to be another factor which we call intelligence or silence that can end the continuity of the self or thought.

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Mon, 12 Mar 2018 #6
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I Just read today's QOTD and K. calls intelligence, "discernment of right value"

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Mon, 12 Mar 2018 #7
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Yes, it is all about having right values that are not based on thought and the self.

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Tue, 13 Mar 2018 #8
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Is death something to be afraid of?
People are not afraid of death . Are afraid of what may happen before death .The loneliness ,the pain and so on. Death means not being or not existing.

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Sat, 17 Mar 2018 #9
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Yes, people are not afraid of death. I think when we say we are afraid of death what is really happening is that we are afraid of losing what we have.

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Sat, 17 Mar 2018 #10
Thumb_stringio richard head United States 332 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Goodman B wrote:
Is death something to be afraid of?

Being afraid, has less to do with the objects that provoke, and more to do with how the mind operates. Our preoccupation with the superficial (objects) allows us to escape the fundamental (how the mind operates, actually).

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Sun, 18 Mar 2018 #11
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richard head wrote:
Being afraid, has less to do with the objects that provoke, and more to do with how the mind operates. Our preoccupation with the superficial (objects) allows us to escape the fundamental (how the mind operates, actually).

Of course. An object may actually cause a reaction when the organism is threatened. That is normal. But now there are innumerable fears.Fear of losing something etc. Then it is purely a question of how the mind operates.

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Tue, 20 Mar 2018 #12
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Jayaraj Kapila Kulasinghe wrote:
Then it is purely a question of how the mind operates.

Which was Krishnamurti's focus. And as you stated, these human psychological responses (fear, for instance) have a purpose/utility. Which means that all aspects of the human experience ought to be open to serious exploration.

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Wed, 21 Mar 2018 #13
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richard head wrote:
And as you stated, these human psychological responses (fear, for instance) have a purpose/utility.

Would you say this? Or is it more at a fundamental level of survival it has utility?

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Thu, 22 Mar 2018 #14
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Jayaraj Kapila Kulasinghe wrote:
Or is it more at a fundamental level of survival it has utility?

Yes. But since the development of "civilization", basic fundamental survival, takes a back seat to the pursuit of pleasure.

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Fri, 23 Mar 2018 #15
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Is there physical fear? For the survival of the organism? Do you say this is the same as psychological fear?

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Fri, 23 Mar 2018 #16
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richard head wrote:
Yes. But since the development of "civilization", basic fundamental survival, takes a back seat to the pursuit of pleasure.

Yes.

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Sat, 24 Mar 2018 #17
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Jayaraj Kapila Kulasinghe wrote:
Do you say this is the same as psychological fear?

I am suggesting it is the same "fear" (fight-flight). Manifesting in certain areas of human experience it is helpful and useful, in other areas not so much. To see clearly the difference, is a very profound thing.

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Sun, 25 Mar 2018 #18
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Fear and pleasure are exclusively the product thought and time . Physical fear is not fear at all since it is immediate response of the senses. For example touching the flame of fire or seeing a deadly animal and avoiding it is part of intelligence.

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Tue, 27 Mar 2018 #19
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K: in ending there is renewal, is there not? It's only in death that a new thing comes into being. I am not giving you comfort. This is not something to be believed or thought about or intellectually examined and accepted, for then you will make it into another comfort, as you now believe in reincarnation or continuity in the hereafter, and so on. But the actual fact is that that which continues has no rebirth, no renewal. Therefore, in dying every day there is renewal, there is a rebirth. That is immortality. In death there is immortality, not the death of which you are afraid, but the death of previous conclusions, memories, experiences, with which you are identified as the 'me'. In the dying of the 'me' every minute there is eternity, there is immortality, there is a thing to be experienced -not to be speculated upon or lectured about, as you do about reincarnation and all that kind of stuff. When you are no longer afraid, because every minute there is an ending and therefore a renewal, then you are open to the unknown. Reality is the unknown. Death is also the unknown. But to call death beautiful, to say how marvelous it is because we shall continue in the hereafter and all that nonsense, has no reality. What has reality is seeing death as it is, an ending; an ending in which there is renewal, a rebirth, not a continuity. For that which continues decays; and that which has the power to renew itself is eternal. - Krishnamurti, J. Krishnamurti, The Book of Life

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Tue, 29 May 2018 #20
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K: ....What has reality is seeing death as it is, an ending; an ending in which there is renewal, a rebirth, not a continuity. For that which continues decays; and that which has the power to renew itself is eternal.

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Tue, 29 May 2018 #21
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Is that because we have never ended anything in life that we know nothing of death? What krishnamurti poses is totally new in society.

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Wed, 13 Jun 2018 #22
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It seems like no one understands English in this site.:)

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Thu, 14 Jun 2018 #23
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Thought must have exhausted itself in this site.

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Fri, 15 Jun 2018 #24
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Thought being exhausted tries to create an action . What happens? What happens when all thought becomes exhausted?

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Fri, 15 Jun 2018 #25
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Thought being the past becomes exhausted and stops. Thought realizing it's own insufficiency therefore stops.

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Fri, 15 Jun 2018 #26
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What happens when thought stops?

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Sat, 01 Sep 2018 #27
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Goodman B wrote:
What has reality is seeing death as it is, an ending; an ending in which there is renewal, a rebirth, not a continuity. For that which continues decays; and that which has the power to renew itself is eternal. - Krishnamurti, J. Krishnamurti, The Book of Life

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Sat, 01 Sep 2018 #28
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Apparently we don't have the power to renew ourselves.

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Sat, 01 Sep 2018 #29
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"seeing death as it is, an ending; an ending in which there is renewal, a rebirth, not a continuity. For that which continues decays; and that which has the power to renew itself is eternal. - Krishnamurti"

What is it that has the power to renew itself?

Isn't it necessary to see that there is that?

This post was last updated by Peter Kesting Sat, 01 Sep 2018.

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Sat, 01 Sep 2018 #30
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We waste energy(drive ,vitality,power ..) in duality. The duality between the observer and the observed ,between the thinker and his thought. Thought is responsible for this wastage of energy which is absolutely needed to end greed,envy,hate and so on. So in understanding thought and how it comes and how it dominates the mind one doesn't waste energy therefore has that power and energy to end the activities of the self which is the old Brain.

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