Now, you are free of dogmas, beliefs, conditioning... fully unconditioned, your actions are selfless and coming from choiceless awareness; you solved observer and observation problem once and forever; and so on...

but "ENLIGHTENED, YOU ARE NOT".

It DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

So, how does it work?

Light Lord wrote:
So, how does it work?

Hmmmm.......I feel one loses themselves. Completely. In that confusion, lies the resolution.

I honestly feel the more one learns, really learns, the less one knows, the less one is sure......and slowly one comes to a state of total unknowing, uncertainty, chaos which is the primordial state.....its the communion with the universe...a neutral state of existence...pure, uncontaminated by life's learnings.....where everything just is....as is acceptence of it...

Difficult to quantify, except thru negation. Neti neti - not this, not this...as the Advaita posits...

One can reach there - yes - but can one stay there? I don't know...

Analyzed, yet thoroughly confused - The more I learn, the less I know

Light Lord wrote:
So, how does it work?

It comes to you like the dancing queen, with out effort.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

Some hints, ganesan as I see it,

1. technically:



2. enlightenment is "not coming" state... it is not a movement.




3. state "neti" must to have end! and it - obviously has.




4. an action /with effort/ is needed only /primarily/ or even better: groups of primarily actions within time line

LL

Madhu Sameer wrote:
One can reach there - yes - but can one stay there?

Light Lord wrote:
enlightenment is "not coming" state... it is not a movement.

yes.If one is there there is no return back.
gb
Todays quote says it is difficult, but not impossible.ENLIGHTENED, YOU/we ARE NOT.

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

This post was last updated by ganesan balachandran Wed, 25 Aug 2010.

It is a switch,

from the state of movement , to state of non-movemental perception. and back. And, choiceless switching to other states as well as the above. of which there is no control. Switch is not a control. It is Mr. Shift. It does not ned feed, feed is a state.

Creativity is born.

Let us face facts as well as why are we conditioned by viewpoints, views.
Enlightenment ought to be single final state, ultimate as it is called. Now this is not a view, or a opinion.

Mr. Ganesan,

This is formerly Dappling.

If you could revive your interest in vedic chants relevance, one wonders if K's teaching is absolute, also one feels if K's teaching is unreversible, final.

Communicability as I understand, is ability to condition. or program. Like a Virus these days, communicability has no reason or grammer. Wren and Martin probably did not strictly follow their own grammar in their private lives.

World languages.

This is taken up as a step on computers to fight language monopolies.

Constantly evolving languages offer a means for communicability as well as restrict them. Language as a means for communication.

Now, in the strict sense, no one understands everything, at least in no time. Enlightenement is a state like all other states ? (!)

This post was last updated by Communicable conditionings (account deleted) Sun, 03 Oct 2010.

Communicable conditionings wrote:
Enlightenement is a state like all other states ? (!)

confident.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

This post was last updated by ganesan balachandran Tue, 05 Oct 2010.

Sir,

If you saw TV yesterday, which I did a little later after posting the above, I was enchanted a the helium baloon displayed above the opening ceremony of commonwealth games.

The idea sounds great, but in implementation is surrounded by passive resistance.

One wonders if this is true of all races, castesm creeds and types.

Communicable conditionings wrote:
The idea sounds great,

I tried to view in you tube. i could not get what you meant. probably if we all understand there is only one mind the race, caste creed may go off. are you trying to tell this.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

I mean I do not know it is ESP at work.

Relying on a single form of ESP may not really work wonders, in India people still use lamp meditation for sorting things out, at the same time not knowing fullness of life.

ESP goes beyond lamp meditation. It is vast. It is alternating periods of exposure and enclosure to experience knowcking once door, that gives experience a meaning. Negation of experience exists for person who want repeat ( like a DVD replay) however life is evr n ew.

The wind is moving, No - The flag is moving.Well actually YOUR MIND IS MOVING> what. a mind that stops moving. What. Unless it wants to move.

This post was last updated by Murray C Fri, 08 Oct 2010.

Murray C wrote:
Unless it wants to move.

Mind is in the past. And hence can not move.