I think K always asked Impossible question.

Just I was reading quote of K in Katy's post.He says Be nothing but don't try to become nothing, now I think you all have easily understood what he said, but I didn't:)

We will find similar kind of sayings in his all work.

Do but please don't try to do!

I don't know

This post was last updated by dhirendra singh Mon, 09 Aug 2010.

dhirendra singh wrote:
Do but please don't try to do!

Yes, Dhirendra, seeing this point with you:)

Someone might say, for example, 'stop talking but don't try to stop'.

Or am I confusing the point confirming even more, Sir, that 'I don't know either'?

Regards, Katy

I don't know either !

Katy 7 wrote:
Someone might say, for example, 'stop talking but don't try to stop'.

I am trying to understand what it mean! Very tough for my little brain

I don't know

dhirendra singh wrote:
Very tough for my little brain

Maybe 'being nothing' lets 'us' stop searching for these meanings, intellectually, Sir? Katy

I don't know either !

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Katy 7 wrote:
Maybe 'being nothing' lets 'us' stop searching for these meanings, intellectually, Sir? Katy

Yes, stop searching! stop to become nothing! Oh! don't try to stop.Either we are nothing or we are not:) we can't become nothing..

I don't know

dhirendra singh wrote:
Yes, stop searching! stop to become nothing! Oh! don't try to stop.Either we are nothing or we are not:) we can't become nothing..

Where are we going with all this Sir? Maybe it is possible to be aware of this 'nothingness' when alone. And something different in the presence of another? Regards, Katy

I don't know either !

Katy 7 wrote:
Where are we going with all this Sir? Maybe it is possible to be aware of this 'nothingness' when alone

I think(?) thought can't solve this puzzle. Awareness is, when one is not, when there is nothingness. Do you see it as catch 22? or is there some light?

I don't know

dhirendra singh wrote:
I think(?) thought can't solve this puzzle. Awareness is, when one is not, when there is nothingness.
So; awareness is, when one is not - where there is no observer?

(When/where there is no divisive element of thought operating between the observer and the observed or am I turning into a K-parrot?:))

dhirendra singh wrote:
Do you see it as catch 22? or is there some light?

Both sir peon.

Catch 22 might be 'what is'. What do we mean by 'light' here? Katy

I don't know either !

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Katy 7 wrote:
So; awareness is, when one is not - where there is no observer?

May be, but when is there no observer?

I don't know

dhirendra singh wrote:
May be, but when is there no observer?

Maybe in 'timelessness' state ?

I don't know either !

Katy 7 wrote:
What do we mean by 'light' here? Katy

I mean when I see it as catch 22, and see impossibility of it through thought and effort and methods..but

I don't know

Katy 7 wrote:
Maybe in 'timelessness' state ?

If it is not too much, then may I ask when is there timelessness?

I don't know

dhirendra singh wrote:
I mean when I see it as catch 22, and see impossibility of it through thought and effort and methods..but

...but?

I don't know either !

dhirendra singh wrote:
If it is not too much, then may I ask when is there timelessness?

In the state described by Krishnamurti at the end of 'The Impossible Question'. Are you asking 'me' if I have glimpsed this sir peon? Katy

I don't know either !

Katy 7 wrote:
.but?

But I don't know this light..Don't matter how clever I am, I don't know it, I can't own it by my cleverness.

I don't know

Katy 7 wrote:
Are you asking 'me' if I have glimpsed this sir peon? Katy

I am only asking, when you think there is timelessness?

I don't know

dhirendra singh wrote:
I am only asking, when you think there is timelessness?

Difficult question, sir peon! Will consider this and write a reply tomorrow if this is still relevant. Thanks, Katy

I don't know either !

Katy 7 wrote:
Difficult question, sir peon

Next time we will try easy question:)

I don't know

dhirendra singh wrote:
Next time we will try easy question:)

:) Thankyou Sir!

I don't know either !

Katy 7 wrote:
:) Thankyou Sir!

But after that we may try impossible question:)

I don't know

dhirendra singh wrote:
If it is not too much, then may I ask when is there timelessness?

Now!

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

RICK LEIN wrote:
Now!

Thanks, Rick, maybe Dhirendra will have a more peaceful break now we
can see this 'answer' together with you. Katy

I don't know either !

This post was last updated by Katy 7 (account deleted) Wed, 11 Aug 2010.

I was reading the exchanges here and wondering:

What would it mean to be nothing?

Not just a momentary collapse of ego-based thought, such as when seeing a mountain etc, which is just attraction. When the mountain is out of view, all the 'something' returns. Which means ego was suspended but not changed, weakened or hardly touched.

So, perhaps not to investigate the nothing, which is a state of which we have no first-hand 'experience', but to investigate all the 'something' that prevents the nothing from manifesting.

Again, it is not a question of trying to delete the past, the personality and so on, what is called 'trying to be nothing.'

Is it not resolved into a question, at least in the first place, of discovering the web of attachment in which we are enmeshed, inwardly as well as outwardly?

I was at a K dialogue and a woman asked us to try to stay with our nothingness. But first you have to be nothing before you can 'stay with it.' And that implies the dissolution of all one's attachments and identifications.

And, whereas there is that in me which appears it would welcome such a movement into the unknown, there is much that resists. And so, here I am!

And I am beginning to ask myself, are there really things I would not be prepared to disown, or is it merely the momentum of the past that keeps snagging my attention? Inertia is quite a force!

What are you waiting for?

Paul Davidson wrote:
What would it mean to be nothing?

Living with the truth,the actual,and Not in the conceptual,now,no interpreter,no intellectual speculation,only what is NOW!But then we might find our posts much shorter,and to the point?

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

Paul Davidson wrote:
Inertia is quite a force!

if there is an axis.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

RICK LEIN wrote:
But then we might find our posts much shorter,and to the point?

Yes Sir!

I don't know either !

Katy 7 wrote:
Maybe 'being nothing' lets 'us' stop searching for these meanings, intellectually, Sir? Katy

'Being nothing' makes one totally incapable of 'stopping' from doing anything, No ?:-)

What do you say will be the way out ?

FLOW WITH LIFE!

RICK LEIN wrote:
Living with the truth,the actual,and Not in the conceptual,now,no interpreter,no intellectual speculation,only what is NOW!But then we might find our posts much shorter,and to the point?

Good Rick. But is that true for you? Is that actual for you? I think it is intellectual speculation because you are not there, in actuality.

Do you 'live with the truth?'

Do you 'live with the actual?'

In actuality you are just doing propaganda, which requires little thought.

What are you waiting for?

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Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
'Being nothing' makes one totally incapable of 'stopping' from doing anything, No ?:-)

I see this element with you Dr Sudhir. (Thanks).

Or put another way; would the idea of (time-based) stopping and/or starting to do anything desist?

And, if this is an 'unknown' way of being; what other thought and/or time-based hazards/fear(s) can be envisaged?

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
What do you say will be the way out ?

I cannot see an immediate answer, Sir, as to 'the way out' as such. However, here are some thoughts/observations raised by this question...(No formal answer being sought)

What do I say will be the way out?

Considering this question elucidates the usefulness of setting an alarm clock if one has a train to catch!:)

On a serious note; this question of yours lets me see more clearly the connection between 'being nothing' (including not being aware of stopping/starting) and the state of 'timelessness' which Krishnamurti spoke of.

Are we saying, Sir, that 'being nothing' is, by definition, letting go of the (illusory) idea of becoming something; that being past-future time oriented a person cannot see 'what is'?

Is the attentiveness brought by seeing 'what is' itself the 'answer' to this (no necessity for a timepiece?) or am I possibly leaping ahead here/ getting lost?

Regards, Katy

(Afterthought; Are we really talking about 'being nothing' within reason?)

I don't know either !

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Paul Davidson wrote:
I think it is intellectual speculation

Every single thing you post is that Paul,assumptive speculation,and self propagation!

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE