Right now i don't get it to my memory which normally one may over look for many reasons including that of not understanding.
i don't think we need JK to answer where the self- interest end and the other begins which he didn't answer in his last talks.
is it really an eternal question which can remain unanswered?
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

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When you understand something totally, say for instance, when you understand authority totally, all its peculiarities, its tendency, where you have completely read the whole book of authority which is yourself, in yourself, when you have completely understood authority, then there is no problem any more about authority, no experiences of authority can ever touch you.

one more of it.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

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It is extremely difficult and arduous to express, and still not be caught in the net of words.

Todays quote says it is difficult, but not impossible. if we accept it is only difficult then it means overlooking the message.

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

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Perhaps some of you will say at the end of my talk that I have given you nothing positive, nothing on which you can definitely work, a system which you can follow. I have no system. I think systems are pernicious things, because they may for the moment alleviate the problems, but if you merely follow a system you are a slave to it. You merely substitute a new system for the old, which does not bring about comprehension. What brings about comprehension is not to search for a new system, but to discover for yourselves, as individuals, not as a collective machine but as individuals, what is false and what is true in the existing system, not to substitute a new system for the old.

So a system exists. what is it first of all? gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

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ganesan balachandran wrote:
So a system exists. what is it first of all? gb

K was referring, it seems, to the system of thought which is the collective consciousness of that which we call 'society.'

He is saying that all paths pursued by thought towards either its own fulfilment, curtailment or liberation will lead to nothing.

But, pursue those ideas, heart, body and mind, with the wholeness of your passion and you may come to the conclusive ending of them. Only when you have been stripped of every illusion and are left with nothing will you be able, truly, to listen. Pursue K, if you have any hopes in him, then throw him away.

The point is to put your whole self into whatever you do, and then be done with it. Our main problem, it seems to me, is that we only ever put half of ourselves into anything and then we give up half-way, leaving half the job done and half the illusion remaining. We are drenched in sentiment about what we 'could' have achieved.

What are you waiting for?

Paul Davidson wrote:
But, pursue those ideas, heart, body and mind, with the wholeness of your passion and you may come to the conclusive ending of them.

Why pursue an idea at all? Only to replace it with a conclusive idea? Are we not bringing in time,becoming,effort,and desire? Would we not be acting from accumulation of knowledge? Is not a conclusion the ending of learning? Can we see what is now,the fact of it,from a conclusion? Is there not a false sense of security in conclusions?

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

RICK LEIN wrote:
Why pursue an idea at all? Only to replace it with a conclusive idea?

Yes, Rick, this is what is happening. We ARE pursuing ideas, you and I, right now. So, recognising the fact of it, do not suppress or justify, but let it flower. Go to the end of it.

The brain is a stubborn fellow and only sees the hole when he has truly fallen into it. Problem is, it has developed the awful habit of 'half-falling' into the hole and afterwards denying the hole or justifying it.

I am saying, if fall, then fall. Make a good job of it and never go back there.

What are you waiting for?

Paul Davidson wrote:
I am saying, if fall, then fall.

Not simply fall, Paul, but fall observing the 'fall'.:-)

Paul Davidson wrote:
Make a good job of it and never go back there

Arriving at this conclusion is a mistake, isn't it ? To an observing mind it doesn't matter what or how many tims it is observing 'what is'. What do you say ?

FLOW WITH LIFE!

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
Not simply fall, Paul, but fall observing the 'fall'.:-)

Yes, that is the point. That is the difference. If you have dreams, do not resist them, justify them or deny them, live them. And as you do so, do not entirely believe in them and keep watching. The lack of meaning will become apparent.

Put your whole self into what you do but do not identify with it or lose yourself in the belief of it. The point is to see it thorugh to the end so that the intellectual knowledge that it may be a diversion is made tangible.

Otherwise it remains sole property of the intellect, which is division.

Sanction the experiment but maintain the doubt. Keep observing. Thanks Sudhir.

What are you waiting for?

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
Arriving at this conclusion is a mistake, isn't it ? To an observing mind it doesn't matter what or how many tims it is observing 'what is'. What do you say ?

You will never see wholly that it is a mistake unless you test it out thoroughly. Problem is that we are so mediocre, we half test our ideas and dreams and live with this feeling of 'unfulfilment' . . . "I could have been a contender." Marlon Brando - On The Waterfront.

"I could have been a success if it wasn't for this wooden leg (Games People Play.)

Then we live in regret, resenting the decisions and postponements we made throughout our lives. So, if you always wanted to be a rock star, and you still harbour that particular illusion, go for it! Get rid off it by trying it out. You will quickly see what a nonsense it is. There is a difference between dreaming the dream and acting on it.

When you use the phrase ' this conclusion is a mistake,' Sudhir, I am not sure in what sense you use the word 'conclusion.' One sense of conclude is to reach the end, through action. Another sense is to draw a conclusion through the intellect.

I obviously meant to act the thing to the end of the illusion. I did not mean to prematurely conclude that the dream is an illusion. That in itself does not get rid of the illusion.

What are you waiting for?

Paul Davidson wrote:
ganesan balachandran wrote:
So a system exists. what is it first of all? gb
Paul wrote:
K was referring, it seems, to the system of thought which is the collective consciousness of that which we call 'society.'
He is saying that all paths pursued by thought towards either its own

Averil: What is a system gb asked? Oxford everyday dictionary meaning is -a set of connected things or parts that form a whole.

Why would a system be 'pernicious' in 'freedom from the known' which is surely what is being asked here? Why are we explaining what Krishnamurti meant rather than going into this problem. What is it that is wanting continuance?

Krishnamurti:

have no system. I think systems are pernicious things, because they may for the moment alleviate the problems, but if you merely follow a system you are a slave to it. You merely substitute a new system for the old, which does not bring about comprehension. What brings about comprehension is not to search for a new system, but to discover for yourselves, as individuals, not as a collective machine but as individuals, what is false and what is true in the existing system, not to substitute a new system for the old.