It appears that like any other group, K groups are not immune to the power struggles, control domination by certain members. How can society change when even people in K groups express the same things as what goes on in politics, business, work, families etc..

Yes we are society, but come on people, lets see oursleves and what's going on.

I recently left Krishnamurti Australia due to a person who in the group who wants control and is very demanding, this person is quite zealous and feels that they are doing so much for K Australia. My thought is that this person has become full of their own importance. I can not subscribe or be part of anything like that so I resigned from my part in the group.

I do feel sadened by my experience, with this group, and now feel that sense of aloness. It brings up fear when you're not part of anything.

I think people cling to K as another security, it becomes another blanket to cover their own fears and feeling of nothingness.

What do others think?

Hi Matt - welcome to the forum.

Yes - it is a worry when even people who are interested enough in the teaching of K to be in groups that promote his work still fall into the same old deadly power traps that have haunted humanity through the ages. Makes you wonder! Perhaps the whole question of 'letting go' is a much deeper demand than is currently understood.

And don't forget - whilst alive, K found there were many problems within the foundations that he set up. Human disorder is what it is - the only ending of it can be total understanding.

Matt Broughton wrote:
I do feel sadened by my experience, with this group, and now feel that sense of aloness. It brings up fear when you're not part of anything.

Hi Matt,welcome to the site.It seems that most of the work takes place in that aloneness you speak of.Still one can see much of our own conditioning in this format. Fear is the chief reason we escape into illusion is it not?

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

Matt Broughton wrote:
What do others think?

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose!Also can it be said that the self seeks security in any person ,place,or thing?

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

RICK LEIN wrote:
It seems that most of the work takes place in that aloneness you speak of.

Good point Rick. It is against all we are conditioned to believe to embrace aloneness. But really - aloneness is what we have.

Patricia Hemingway wrote:
aloneness is what we have.

That's it!

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

Patricia Hemingway wrote:
It is against all we are conditioned to believe to embrace aloneness. But really - aloneness is what we have.

Mind is ever busy in the production of thoughts to avoid feeling lonely. It has to have the bond of attachments to one or other relationship to survive. Lonliness, rather than 'aloneness' is the right term for this conditioned state of the mind.

FLOW WITH LIFE!

Matt Broughton wrote:
I recently left Krishnamurti Australia due to a person who in the group who wants control and is very demanding, this person is quite zealous and feels that they are doing so much for K Australia.

Was this a website, or an actual gathering of people who discuss issues together? I have this problem with a local Freethought Meetup group I belong to which is largely filled with atheists, and since I don't consider myself to be an atheist, it makes conversation difficult apart from fluff topics like the weather. So I usually sit silent like a potted plant, providing an audience for their bloviating.

Thanks for all your insights and comments. I came across this quote the other day:

Have you ever tried to be alone? When you do try, you will feel how extraordinarily difficult it is and how extraordinarily intelligent we must be to be alone, because the mind will not let us be alone. The mind becomes restless, it busies itself with escapes, so what are we doing? We are trying to fill this extraordinary void with the known. We discover how to be active, how to be social; we know how to study, how to turn on the radio. We are filling that thing which we do not know with the things we know. We try to fill that emptiness with various kinds of knowledge, relationship or things. Is that not so? That is our process, that is our existence. Now when you realize what you are doing, do you still think you can fill that void? You have tried every means of filling this void of loneliness. Have you succeeded in filling it? You have tried cinemas and you did not succeed and therefore you go after your gurus and your books or you become very active socially. Have you succeeded in filling it or have you merely covered it up? If you have merely covered it up, it is still there; therefore it will come back. If you are able to escape altogether then you are locked up in an asylum or you become very, very dull. That is what is happening in the world.

This is an excellent K quote because it describes consciousness-as-we know-it, i.e., the noise of occupation and escape. We are denying the void, the emptiness, the mystery of what-is by asserting the known, the believed, the desired, the feared, etc. We can't help it. It's our conditioning. The compulsion runs deep.

But don't be discouraged. Jim F and others in this forum will assure you that you, too, can enjoy the freedom and bliss that is their's...if only you'll endure their pious platitudinizing.

nick carter wrote:
But don't be discouraged. Jim F and others in this forum will assure you that you, too, can enjoy the freedom and bliss that is their's...if only you'll endure their pious platitudinizing.

Yup, and you are never really alone when you are here with your forum buddies, seeking the next 'recommendation' . . . and the next . . . and the next . . .

Heck, I may even get one, one day!

What are you waiting for?