On the matter of identity, the jury is always out and the judge always rules

Everyone has a store of stock responses for every conceivable situation, and not every situation can be imagined, so you're identified by how well stocked you are. Identity is a value judgement. You can't apply it to yourself without doing harm, so you have to remain unknown. Leave it to others to decide who you are. They can be cruel at your expense, but you can give them that.

nick carter wrote:
so you have to remain unknown

without this stock.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

ganesan balachandran wrote:
without this stock. gb

I must say that's a very nice remark!

nick carter wrote:
but you can give them that.

Without the stock?

You can't make a good soup without stock, babes, com'on!

But on another matter, identity means one thing being the same as something else. We say there is identity between them. One is identified with the other. They are identical.

Psychologically, the word was an identical meaning.

To identify with something, whether it be a feeling, an action, an object or a person, means to feel the same, to feel one is that, or to draw something into one's own identity.

I had a friend who was a psychologist and one day when I was 'dissing' her profession she shouted at me, "Don't show disrespect to psychology. I am a psychologist and d to disrespect psychology is to disrespect me!" The relationship went downhill from there on.

What is it to have an identity? It means that one has an image of oneself that one regards as oneself. One identifies with one's self-image. My self-image and me are the same. Probably my self-image is made up entirely of the things I identify with - my thoughts (the one's I have not censored), my beliefs, my feelings, my property, my friends, job, family, nervous twitches, old socks etc etc etc. This is me, my life. My identity is that. The whole stock.

It is quite a soup!

What are you waiting for?

Paul Davidson wrote:
It is quite a soup!

Beautifully & precisely put! Is the soup fresh?

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote:
Beautifully & precisely put! Is the soup fresh?

This is the paradox, Kapila, it has been brewing now for sixty years, yet it is always fresh. Just the palate which is jaded!!

What are you waiting for?

This post was last updated by Paul Davidson (account deleted) Sat, 09 Oct 2010.

Paul Davidson wrote:
This is the paradox, Kapila, it has been brewing now for sixty years, yet it is always fresh. Just the palate which is jaded!!

Oh, Christ, Paul's new hair has gone to his head. Cut it out, Paul!

nick carter wrote:
Oh, Christ, Paul's new hair has gone to his head. Cut it out, Paul!

I am thinking that it must be boredom you are afflicted with, Nick. Boredom parading as critique creates inane results.

What are you waiting for?

Paul Davidson wrote:
nick carter wrote:
Oh, Christ, Paul's new hair has gone to his head. Cut it out, Paul!

Paul Davidson wrote:
I am thinking that it must be boredom you are afflicted with, Nick. Boredom parading as critique creates inane results.

Sorry you don't enjoy my sense of humor, Paul, but really, take a good look at your photo.

nick carter wrote:
Sorry you don't enjoy my sense of humor, Paul, but really, take a good look at your photo.

Yes, but if YOU take a good look at that photo, Nick, you will see that it is not a 'new haircut' but a very old one . . . 35 years old. These days I only wish that some new hair would go to my head, but it has all migrated down south.

But look at how K tried to cover his pate in later years! No self-image????

It is all masks. Good to play with but silly to take seriously.

What are you waiting for?

This post was last updated by Paul Davidson (account deleted) Sun, 10 Oct 2010.

Paul Davidson wrote:
Yes, but if YOU take a good look at that photo, Nick, you will see that it is not a 'new haircut' but a very old one . . . 35 years old. These days I only wish that some new hair would go to my head, but it has all migrated down south.

Okay, my mistake, but can you blame me? First you present yourself as a bald, mustachioed man, and then, Blam!, you've got more hair on your head than you can contain and no mustache at all. I, on the other hand, would never dare to toy with the reader/viewer's image of me by presenting anything other than a perfectly up-to-date photo of myself.

David Loucks wrote:
Give it up Nick. You are what you accuse everyone else of being. You are the premier "Krishnamurtite" on this site.
I know your comment was meant to be a joke, but still, get a life brother.

Oooh...busted by "the man".

nick carter wrote:
Oooh...busted by "the man".

Someone throw that mangy mutt a go-go bean!

What are you waiting for?

David Loucks wrote:
Give it up Nick. You are what you accuse everyone else of being. You are the premier "Krishnamurtite" on this site.

Hi Dave, nice to see you back. But you've been away too long. It has been a well established fact for some . . . oh, days now, that Nick is a premier ANTI-Krishnamartian, which is really, really really, different. Honest!

OK, Nick, I've had just about enough insults about my hair so I'm going to change the picture - and you're the one responsible, right!

What are you waiting for?

There - how's that for identity!!

What are you waiting for?

Paul Davidson wrote:
OK, Nick, I've had just about enough insults about my hair so I'm going to change the picture - and you're the one responsible, right!

Sorry you felt insulted, I just thought you were trying to be funny by posting such contrasting photos of yourself. Your latest photo is fine, but if you don't replace it soon I'll be disappointed. Your ongoing parade of pictures is almost as entertaining as your posts.

Paul Davidson wrote:
Someone throw that mangy mutt a go-go bean!

I don't get it. Who's the mangy mutt and what's a go-go bean?

David Loucks wrote:
Nick I can appreciate your intensity and frustration but there may be better ways to use that energy, or not.

There are always better ways to use one's energy, but alas, one does what one feels compelled to do. Whatever I've said so far about K-parrots, K-pretenders, and Krishnamurtians, I've felt compelled to say because I felt this particular phenomenon needed to be addressed. But maybe I was mistaken. Maybe it's just an unfortunate side-effect of studying K we should all politely ignore.

David Loucks wrote:
Look, just about the last thing I want to do is get into another rubbarb with someone on this site.

Don't believe a word of it, David!

David Loucks wrote:
If my back wasn't killing me

Yeah . . . and if it wasn't for this wooden leg . . .

Dave, why do we find the scent of conflict irresistable? You me, Nick, both? But, let's keep it funny and occasional so we don't mess with too many minds out there!

David Loucks wrote:
It's happened to me for sure.

Yeah, you push against that wall for years unbtil you pull away exhausted and it is just then . . . that the wall falls to dust. But without the pushing, without the passion, without the heart . . .

Most people don't put their whole selves into anything. K castigated the mediocre life. For me, if I am going the wrong way, hell, what does it matter, if there is heart in it I will end up taking the right turning, willing or not. That's what happened to me in politics . . . and it can happen to you too, just adopt my method ($8.95 pw for six months) and in two weeks you'll notice the difference . . . and so will your friends!

What are you waiting for?

nick carter wrote:
Sorry you felt insulted

That's OK, really. Just don't mention my hat now . . .

I don't mind but my hat, it's kind of sensitive.

What are you waiting for?

nick carter wrote:
I've felt compelled

Question your compulsions

What are you waiting for?

Paul Davidson wrote:
Question your compulsions

I always do because they seem irrational. But I've found that if you look deeply, don't just label a compulsion and dismiss it, it's an indicator of something that requires examination. In this case - my need to address the K-parrot phemonenon - I regret that so many have a problem with it, but their discomfort is no less interesting and worthy of examination.

David Loucks wrote:
And Paul don't make fun of a guy with a bad back. It shows a lack of breeding.

OK, so I'm ill-bred and I flaunt it + I have a chronic lower spine problem, curviture of the upper spine, swollen tendons, double hernia and you name it. Years of construction have led to my early deconstruction. Two wheels on my wagon etc etc. 60 next week and still skipping over rafters.

David Loucks wrote:
I would frigging shoot myself if I lived in London or any other chronically rainy place.

Beautiful day today. Bright blue sky wrapping itself round the blessed dark green of the sequoia trees. The copper beech trees were singing scarlot. 23 degrees here today . . . only 17 in Sao Paulo! The roof's finished now. We'll be fixing the ceder shingles next week.

What are you waiting for?

David Loucks wrote:
When I was 23 I got drafted into the US Army and was sent 10,000 miles to kill people I actually liked a lot better than I did my NCO's and officers.

Best Viet-Nam reflection I've heard yet.

Just jacking you around a little bit Paul. Take it easy.

Ken, is that Dan of the Highway Patrol? Haven't seen him for years. And he still has his hat on! Come to think of it, it's a bit like mine . . .

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David Loucks wrote:
Just jacking you around a little bit Paul. Take it easy.

Likewise.

What are you waiting for?

nick carter wrote:
we should all politely ignore.

yes. includes you also is it not.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

Blasphemy! Ken, I'll get your photoshop licence revoked, just for that!

What are you waiting for?