I was born 9 months after K's death. I am the eigth child. My name begins with K and many simply call me KK. I was raised in religion, studied and practiced Catholism, was very devout until I realized that religion is far from truth and all religions come down to laws and traditions. I am a philosopher and always have been. From very young I questioned life and people and the whys and hows of our existence, our purpose, our dysfunction, and our potential. I just learned of K three days ago and have realized that though I have read a minimum of his work what I have read has been deja vu of what I have discovered to be the truth on my own. I believe that Nitya has come back too and is in my life as my soulmate Nate (both begin with N as well) because the relationship that K and Nitya had "like two stars in a naked sky" is an exact description of our relationaship. I am even more convinced because mine and Nate's paths have crossed our entire lives, but we just met each oher last year. It is as if Nitya and K were looking for each other. I have spoken K's exact words, his teachings, my entire life without ever reading his teachings. For the critics who believed that he could only speak these philosophies because he was well taken care of and lived rather luxuriously if I am him then I would like to say that the truth has followed me even in the depths of poverty. I think he came back for many reasons one maybe to prove that the materialistic and egotistic necessities and wants and desires of this world have no impact on the truth. Truth is truth regardless of circumstance or situation it can never be anything other than truth. I also think he wanted more time with his brother or maybe because both have returned they, we were instinctively drawn to each other. And one more reason he could have returned came to me last night while I was reading his words and he said if he could not teach anymore than he had no purpose. Maybe he has found another way to teach. I know that I go on and on whenever I find an interested ear. Me and Nate are going to visit Ojai since we have never been in this lifetime and see if we have deja vu.

I have this overwhelming feeling that I am the reincarnation of K.

Reincarnation is a concept; not fact, so be overwhelmed if it help you to enjoy.

If interested, question yourself that what is that which get rebirth, probably you may find that there is nothing which go away and come again.

I don't know

Karrie Harlan wrote:
I think he came back for many reasons one maybe to prove that

He was never interested to prove anything, read him.

I don't know

The spirit is continuous but form can change. It is impossible to confirm or deny the possibility, if your response is for or against and is set in stone then you have beliefs that interfere with the truth. I do not think that he would come back to prove anything for himself or for his reputation, but to prove that uncovering the truth is possible for everyone and is not related to the material visible world. That was simply an idea and I value your response. I did read his philosophy on reincarnation and yes it is egotistical for humans to want to be reincarnated as a way to live eternally on this plane, but I am not lead to believe his reason was to live forever, but as a service to the world.

I have this overwhelming feeling that I am the reincarnation of K.

Karrie Harlan wrote:
I believe that Nitya has come back too...

Welcome to this mad house, both of you!

FLOW WITH LIFE!

Karrie Harlan wrote:
The spirit is continuous but form can change

Is there any continuity?

Reincarnation is possible only in continuity, K had explained it many times.

K didn't live in continuity, so there was nothing which can return.

I don't know

Continuity means it cannot return because it never left. Whether I believe and whether you do not the truth is the truth. So if it is so then it is and if it is not then it is not. My reason for the post is this I have questioned that if I were to come back in future lives would the future me understand the present me or would I be completely oblivious to my present life. It does not matter either way but I am curious as to what K would have wanted if he indeed came back by choice or by nature. Is it to experience a different path or to continue his work? Are these philosophies I have imbedded in me for a future purpose or just from memory? If we were to die and it was a choice to come back would we choose to in order to proceed from where we left off or to experience what we hadn't? If you had an idea of a past life what would you personally do? Continue its work and grow your future from its seed or move in a different direction entirely?

I have this overwhelming feeling that I am the reincarnation of K.

Karrie Harlan wrote:
continuity means it cannot return because it never left.

Reincarnation is based on continuity,.. One left this body, this place, and return in another body, at another place.

Karrie Harlan wrote:
If we were to die and it was a choice to come back would we choose to in order to proceed from where we left off or to experience what we hadn't? If you had an idea of a past life what would you personally do? Continue its work and grow your future from its seed or move in a different direction entirely?

You will be same if you return, and will live like living now.But as a person you are just a bundle of memory which end with death of physical body, so till now it is not possible to come back as same person, but in future scientist may have technology to copy the memory and paste it in clone.

Thank god that reincarnation is an idea, otherwise what Hitler w'd have done if he w'd have choice to come back?

I don't know

This post was last updated by dhirendra singh Tue, 18 Jan 2011.

Maybe hitler came back as george bush? Oh that was bad....

Thank you for your replies reincarnation is what it is either it exists or not but it does not depend on our knowledge of it in order to be or not to. It is impossible for me to know what to do with this idea of mine, but I appreciate your time.

I have this overwhelming feeling that I am the reincarnation of K.

I hope you are K reincarnated, Karrie, because I'd like to know how you feel about the cult that has sprung up around you and all the parrots you've produced.

People are quick to follow the words and teachings of others because we are conditioned not to think for ourselves. We take the path of least responsibility. We allow others to dictate our lives because then we are not at fault for our mistakes. Religious people blame satan, conscious people blame illusion, and those who choose to follow instead of find out for themselves blame K and are positive that he is right and need not research any further.

I have this overwhelming feeling that I am the reincarnation of K.

aurelien B wrote:
the past is always present, in the now, and that is what conditions our future. So, in the field of time, there is always a continuity, and we're bound to its continuity

The past is present in the now because it has been brought forward as image by the action of thinking.

But what happens when an image of the past is not created by thinking? The present is seen for what it is - - it is observed. Observation and awareness take place when thinking is not engaged in recalling the past.

To prevent the past from being carried forward into the future, the action taken Now must be awareness and observation. Action based on images of the past repeats the past.

max

This post was last updated by max greene Tue, 18 Jan 2011.

Karrie Harlan wrote:
People are quick to follow the words and teachings of others because we are conditioned not to think for ourselves. We take the path of least responsibility. We allow others to dictate our lives because then we are not at fault for our mistakes. Religious people blame satan, conscious people blame illusion, and those who choose to follow instead of find out for themselves blame K and are positive that he is right and need not research any further.

I wouldn't say they "blame" K; they blame conditioning and become K-conditioned. But anyway, carry on, Karrie.

I used "blame" for the sake of the sentence, but you are right. They copy him instead of figuring it out on their own. The truth is imbedded in us, but we are directed, conditioned, to ignore it. We are mentally and spiritually passive due to conditioning. People are extremely powerful, but almost none of them see their true worth and it is much easier to look up to a god or a prophet or a teacher than it is to recognize our own value.

I have this overwhelming feeling that I am the reincarnation of K.

Karrie Harlan wrote:
It is impossible for me to know what to do with this idea of mine,

Now try to doubt on this idea :)

I don't know

K used to say that in the present everybody Hitler, Stalin are there. Why not K.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

dhirendra singh wrote:
Now try to doubt on this idea :)

Let Karrie live with that ..gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

This post was last updated by ganesan balachandran Wed, 19 Jan 2011.

:)
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

Karrie,

K did say consciousness continues unless it is emptied & manifests on other people.(Wholeness of Life). But please note he said this only if you are left with images at the time of physical death. Now the point is K is somebody who talked about emptiness & beyond! So his mind was not something that would manifest at all according to what he said.

K's life was actually an enigma. If you have read about his life it is known that he was chosen as a messiah.And he was always referred to as the vehicle for the coming world teacher. So when he was actually here(not you) it was still a question whether he was used by some power that wanted to talk to people.K said discussing this that water cannot know itself.That is,he was not able to find out about himself.But he said if someone else could find it out he could corroborate. So when he actually lived even it was not known whether a consciousness manifested.Because he himself considered whether his ego withdrew because the other, the power was far more important.

I am inclined to think you are doing this for fun.If so fine because this is great entertainment.But if you are serious please drop this idea immediately or begin doubting as Dhirendra said. What is the need for you to say a thing like this? Ask yourself the question please.

Kapila:'K did say consciousness continues unless it is emptied & manifests on other people.(Wholeness of Life). But please note he said this only if you are left with images at the time of physical death. Now the point is K is somebody who talked about emptiness & beyond! So his mind was not something that would manifest at all according to what he said.'

Mina: Hope you do not mind my interfering (have not read your dialogue), but this paragraph brought on something to share:

It is clear that incarnation in the sense that there is something that continues in time, could not be but continuation of image. The ending of image is the ending of anything that could 'come back'. Whatever does come back, does so, as is the understanding here, because it has not been fully understood. It is what the individual consciousness, the 'me' is composed of really, of 'unfinished not fully realised businesses'. :-)

So we could say, using the word 'incarnation' differently, pointing to something beyond the consciousness of knowledge, the following: There is 'K reincarnated' wherever or whenever, in this one undivided consciousness, there happens the 'stepping out of it' (without anyone to step out of it of course).

Sorry for the complicated-sounding words but they are only words! :-)

After reading Karrie's initial post, no opinion/judgement of what she was saying, occurred. Instead there was a feeling of wonderful energy of her joining this forum, which gives me here a chance to welcome her again!

Mina

I broke my arm and had surgery it is my dominant wrist so my replies will be quite short for a couple of months but i wanted to say that the thought of being reincarnated is not an appealing one to me and so if this is fact i would want to know for what reason k would return so if i am him then i could try and finish his purpose and not come back again. It is impossible for you or i to know if it is so r not i am planning a trip to ojai maybe this summer to see if i have deja vu and that would be enough proof for me.

I have this overwhelming feeling that I am the reincarnation of K.

nick carter wrote:
I hope you are K reincarnated, Karrie, because I'd like to know how you feel about the cult that has sprung up around you and all the parrots you've produced.

Actually the cult was there while he was alive and he predicted this and also, people who imagine they are his incarnation...

Life is relationship

Hi Karrie

Take care of your arm.

Karrie Harlan wrote:
if i am him then i could try and finish his purpose and not come back again. It is impossible for you or i to know if it is so r not

I know that you are not K reincarnated, but my knowing will not help you.So I think after Ojai visit, you will like to visit India.

I am sure here you will get confirmation of reincarnation.

I don't know

Karrie Harlan wrote:
I broke my arm and had surgery it is my dominant wrist so my replies will be quite short for a couple of months but i wanted to say that the thought of being reincarnated is not an appealing one to me and so if this is fact i would want to know for what reason k would return so if i am him then i could try and finish his purpose and not come back again. It is impossible for you or i to know if it is so r not i am planning a trip to ojai maybe this summer to see if i have deja vu and that would be enough proof for me.

By Jove Karrie I tried in my meditation to see whether you are real & saw somebody with legs broken & now you say you broke your wrist.I still don't know whether you are real!-I cannot understand whether somebody here is playing the fool or not!

For what reason K would want to come back? You are asking this!! My dear Karrie K knew that very well!! He was trying to change humanity! So you will have to be here eternally considering the job at hand!!

What is deja vu? Pease note- I have not meant here to offend you please.

Mina Martini wrote:
Hope you do not mind my interfering

Please be free to say anything.

Mina Martini wrote:
So we could say, using the word 'incarnation' differently, pointing to something beyond the consciousness of knowledge, the following: There is 'K reincarnated' wherever or whenever, in this one undivided consciousness, there happens the 'stepping out of it' (without anyone to step out of it of course).

Do you mean to say if a person(no person then of course) saw the truth the person can be said to be K re-incarnated? Careful Mina there you are using K as the symbol of truth, isn't it? What is the need for a symbol?

Dear Kapila,

Mina Martini wrote:
So we could say, using the word 'incarnation' differently, pointing to something beyond the consciousness of knowledge, the following: There is 'K reincarnated' wherever or whenever, in this one undivided consciousness, there happens the 'stepping out of it' (without anyone to step out of it of course).

Kapila:Do you mean to say if a person(no person then of course) saw the truth the person can be said to be K re-incarnated? Careful Mina there you are using K as the symbol of truth, isn't it? What is the need for a symbol?

Mina:No, no no! :-) Did not mean any image of K/anyone)anything, no symbol whatsoever, only chose to describe 'unlimited undivided energy' with the words 'K reincarnated' because the thread had it as a subject. This is why i said i do not mean ANY idea with it. But the term is perhaps unnecessarily confusing here, sorry. No symbol needed, life is a true miracle. Love, m.

Kapila,

At the moment symbol is given away for the sake of truth, you/me is given away because we are the image, the symbol. It is clear no image of K or his teaching can then survive and THAT is the 'living of the teaching'. Actually, thefore, K's teachings can only be lived, that is the only way they can be understood. And in the living of them no 'me' or 'K' (which are constructs of thought/image) can survive. Love, M.

This post was last updated by Mina Martini Tue, 25 Jan 2011.

Mina Martini wrote:
only chose to describe 'unlimited undivided energy' with the words 'K reincarnated' because the thread had it as a subject.

I understood that this is what you meant.

Mina Martini wrote:
It is clear no image of K or his teaching can then survive and THAT is the 'living of the teaching'. Actually, thefore, K's teachings can only be lived, that is the only way they can be understood. And in the living of them no 'me' or 'K' (which are constructs of thought/image) can survive. Love, M.

Yes.Love,Kapila.

'Yes.Love,Kapila.'

:-) Wonderful to live the dissolution of words (instead of their accumulation!) when there is shared understanding.

only Love, m

What is reincarnation after all? Can a separate fragment of Spirit be imprisoned in a body? Is it any more realistic thinking that this happens only once instead of happening thousands of times?

I seem to have memories of previous lives, yet I've never been anyone half as "important" as Krishnamurti. I disbelieve of these memories in the same way I do of my current perceptions. Everything looks so unreal...

I can't see no reason why Krishnamurti shouldn't reincarnate in Kerrie's body. It feels like she's just being honest about her perceptions. Perception is almost always wrong, as we project what we think we need get rid of. I believe her and I welcome her to my so-called life.

At the end of the day, whatever real was within Krishnamurti is whithin Kerrie and I and you. Only that matters.