Every thought that crosses my mind is a K-thought. Everything I think is K-correct. I'm Konditioned!

nick carter wrote:
Every thought that crosses my mind is a K-thought. Everything I think is K-correct. I'm Konditioned!

Yup but if you are aware of it then you are not :) The idiot.

Life is relationship

we are K reincarnates!
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

nick carter wrote:
Every thought that crosses my mind is a K-thought. Everything I think is K-correct. I'm Konditioned!

Do you not watch your thoughts? Do you only think?

Kapila Kulasinghe wrote:
Do you not watch your thoughts? Do you only think?

Am I the watcher or the watched? K would say I'm both, and I don't imagine Kapila would dare disagree.

nick carter wrote:
dare disagree.

Well you are the watched. And the watcher?- no separate watcher, the watched is seeing itself.

nick carter wrote:
Am I the watcher or the watched? K would say I'm both, and I don't imagine Kapila would dare disagree.

Yup you are....but not because K said so but because it is a fact and all you have to do is to prove this by watching your thoughts. They stop because they are one and the same....The watcher becomes the watched and the results are not more thinking...So WATCH....

Life is relationship

Eve Goodmon wrote:
all you have to do is to prove this by watching your thoughts. They stop because they are one and the same....The watcher becomes the watched and the results are not more thinking...

Results?! What a load of baloney.

nick carter wrote:
Every thought that crosses my mind is a K-thought. Everything I think is K-correct. I'm Konditioned!

Your collapse (as in your conditioning's collapse) just began! Please update the progress.
When the K dismantling initiated in me few years back(its still going on) I began to see series of apparent opposites(contradictions) in the entire teaching.

Sacred, Profound

Tihit Kumar1 wrote:
When the K dismantling initiated in me few years back(its still going on) I began to see series of apparent opposites(contradictions) in the entire teaching.

Do tell.

nick carter wrote:
Results?! What a load of baloney.

I have an overwhelming feeling that this is only entertainment for you in order to escape what you are, by either admonishing or laughing at others. A form of violence?

nick carter wrote:
...and I find your imagined seriousness and hysterical use of bold print depressing

I am impressed with your finding out anything, and am happy to oblige your depression, it is an excellent tool to discover ones own tendencies and propensity towards violent behaviors?

Amber Cinquini wrote:
I have an overwhelming feeling that this is only entertainment for you in order to escape what you are,

...and I'm underwhelmed by your imagined seriousness and hysterical use of bold italics.

nick carter wrote:
imagined seriousness

nick carter wrote:
hysterical

Are you looking in the mirror sir?

Mr. Carter,

I am very impressed with your critical thinking skills and the propensity to recognize football and other unsavory entertainment as violence and the modern take on the Roman Gladiator Games.

But it is puzzling to observe that while you clearly see one as violence, you totally fail to recognize the same in exchanges with others.

As for bold italics, you are free to use them or not.

Amber Cinquini wrote:
But it is puzzling to observe that while you clearly see one as violence, you totally fail to recognize the same in exchanges with others.

Alright, since you bring it up, can you provide a good example of my alleged verbal violence? I'm not denying or protesting your contention, but if you're going to accuse me of something, be specific.

nick carter wrote:
Do tell.

Take evolution. K poses a challenge: Can there be a radical change that does not take time? He questions the validity of evolution.
But evolution is a fact of life. Things move slowly, people take a lot of time to even understand a small thing.

Now the same K talks about patience, which is not really a radical change quality. Patience is a quality in evolution, we have to wait and watch for evolution to happen. Evolution or transformation can not happen overnight.

One even feels evolution is the way to go, why even bother about radical change?

Sacred, Profound

Tihit Kumar1 wrote:
But evolution is a fact of life.

But he questioned only psychological evolution the self turning better in time.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

ganesan balachandran wrote:
But he questioned only psychological evolution the self turning better in time. gb

Yes, why not give it time? Allow it escape if it likes to. K was a brilliant man. He knew how to mount pressure on the mind to transform itself at the same time providing lot of warm chocolate brownies to do so. In my experience, people do get better psychologically with experience, with time, with greater exposure to society and world. The instant results he was looking for may not be possible in all. So, psychological evolution is a good thing and is a fact. See how I am using the K phrase "it is a fact" even when I am opposing him? That's the beauty of his teaching. Shows that even the ability to question his teaching is born out of the teaching itself.

I think the timeless transformation he was taking about was the preliminary transformation, or the preparedness transformation, which does not need time. And there is a limited list of elements you can change like dropping(negating) authority, fear, experience, dropping ideals and beliefs, dropping images, dropping self, dropping knowledge etc but that's not a radical tranformation. That's only a preliminary preparedness. There is a long way to go after that in evolution.

Sacred, Profound

Tihit Kumar1 wrote:
I think the timeless transformation he was taking about was the preliminary transformation, or the preparedness transformation, which does not need time.

Good. i understand.

Tihit Kumar1 wrote:
That's only a preliminary preparedness.

and that is all. and that is the transformation without time.
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

Tihit Kumar1 wrote:
There is a long way to go after that in evolution.

Can you elaborate, please?

FLOW WITH LIFE!

nick carter wrote:
Alright, since you bring it up, can you provide a good example of my alleged verbal violence? I'm not denying or protesting your contention, but if you're going to accuse me of something, be specific.

No I am not going to do that. This is endless and wastage of energy. You either see it or you don't. Either way is fine with me.

Amber Cinquini wrote:
No I am not going to do that. This is endless and wastage of energy. You either see it or you don't. Either way is fine with me.

You make an accusation and get snotty when you're asked for evidence.

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
Can you elaborate, please?

Now most of us here have a problem expressing ourselves resulting in conflicts, but by and large we have got it, we understood the primary message of K. We have transitioned into leaner smarter persons.

Now what next? Get at the aspects of teaching that we might not yet understand, such as the ending of time.

There is life beyond K, K deliberately avoided discussing paranormal phenomenon, but ......

Let us carefully look at the words 'effortless action' and 'choicelessness'. What happens after that? How does the world look after the temporal dimension Time ends? What is the nature of effortless action? And many more phenomenon that K distanced himself from. There is a path after you come to certain stage in your personal evolution, it is just that it is not the one determined by the mind or thought. That is my gut feel.

As for my real state right now my mind and my actions are totally out of sync. I just can not do something carefully thought out. Action simply turns out on its own totally different from what mind creates, if it creates. I think, but actual actions seem to be at the mercy of something other than thought or pre-thought. It will be of great help if you can explain this from your experience.

I am reading some non-K spiritual books at present, especially on Karma(action) theory and I am thinking there are lot of unsung heroes out there beside K. They may not have had the energy to write or talk elaborately the way K did, but they did combine some Indian words and some original expression to express various states of consciousness - not only the enlightened states but several non-enlightened states as well very clearly. The behaviour of mind when various chakras are active is described in one essay.

Sacred, Profound

nick carter wrote:
You make an accusation and get snotty when you're asked for evidence.

Yes. I am not here to play games or mock trial. The standards and the stakes are higher than that. We are responsible full stop. The words used 'snotty' and accusation are your choice.

Amber Cinquini wrote:
Yes. I am not here to play games or mock trial.

Oh no, you're much too serious for that.

The standards and the stakes are higher than that.

Oh yes indeed, and you Amber Cinquini, beloved upholder of the K-faith are here to bring us all to justice and righteousness with your insufferablly sanctimonious attitude, baseless accusations, and semi-literate pronouncements.

nick carter wrote:
Oh yes indeed, and you Amber Cinquini, beloved upholder of the K-faith are here to bring us all to justice and righteousness with your insufferablly sanctimonious attitude, baseless accusations, and semi-literate pronouncements.

Our whole effort is concerned with this superimposition of what we call right ideas on what we consider wrong ideas, and by this attempt we continually create a division in action. K quote of the day...

This is a war of ideas Mr. Carter, ask your self to what end?

This post was last updated by Amber Cinquini Sun, 13 Feb 2011.

nick carter wrote:
and semi-literate pronouncements.
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by the way I am semi-literate in several languages, English is not my native language, and I have Doctorate degree from Harvard... would you consider me properly literate now?

Amber Cinquini wrote:
nick carter wrote: and semi-literate pronouncements. Recommend

Nick,

One need not speak Queen's English to communicate an idea well. There is more to English than grammar, there is more to communication than English.

Einstein could not speak English properly but America used his theory to develop atomic bomb and drop it on Japan.

Sacred, Profound

Amber Cinquini wrote:
and I have Doctorate degree from Harvard..

And I'm a Nobel prize winner.