| Wed, 29 Jul 2009 | #1 |
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As a quote of Truth and Actuality we are aware in our thinking process as far as possible and we are in conditioned as observer is observed, then how we can be free from conditioned ? Can we think simultaneously about this world. |
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| Fri, 31 Jul 2009 | #2 |
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Not sure what you mean by this madhav. Our conditioning is that the observer and observed are separate. Maybe the observer is the observed prior to its division by conditioned reactions, prior to formation of an identity for the observer. The observer may well be the observed when in fact no identity has formed, when no thinker is present in the operation of the brain, or in a moment when conditioning does not assert itself.
I'm not sure we can be or need to be "free from conditioning". Conditioning is a normal function of all sentient beings based on pleasure and pain. The point may be, as with so many other things in life, is it possible to see when conditioning is harmful and when it is necessary in life. Conditioning to avoid an onrushing vehicle or burning hot stove is a good thing. On the other hand, conditioning to indulge pleasurable feelings dulls the mind and contributes to psychoses and destructive tendencies, which may eventually create disaster for the life of the indulgent as well as countless others. |
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| Sun, 02 Aug 2009 | #3 |
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Richard,
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| Sun, 02 Aug 2009 | #4 |
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Yes, of course, it is of utmost importance to see the interference of conditioning in human life. And, it seems to me we humans do have moments of 'freedom' in the course of daily life when harmful conditioning ceases to function, but then we have trouble understanding the full implications of such freedom. We probably even fear the freedom since it means the self image loses its dominant role in life. The further implication of freedom is that pursuit of pleasure is a source of conflict and dependence; nevertheless, we resist giving up pleasure, comfort and security for the sake of preserving a self centered existence. It is quite sad really, that we put our lives in bondage just to satisfy an arbitrary image, whether the image is one of a damaged, miserable soul or a triumphant successful being. |
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