This is relatively more difficult part of teaching of "K". These words were used by 'K" for the first time and his whole teaching is very well distilled into this statement.

"When you look over at those mountains behind the speaker, they are blue;the line, the straight lines, and the valley, and so on, when you give yor complete attention to look, is there an observer? The observer comes into being only when, in that look, there is inattention, which is distraction.So, only total attention brings about the cessation of the observer. And when there is the ending of the observer,there is the ending of the thing he has created as what is; because, as we said, the oberver is the observed"
-Quote from Talks by Krishnamurti in U.S.A.1966-NEW YORK-OJAI.
"When you observe without the observer, without the past, without the image, the actual,"what is", is a living thing, not recognized by the past knowledge.To observe completely without recording it, is to give your total attention.. if you understand this one radical principle, you will have understood something immense: that where there is an observer separating himself from the thing he observes, there must be conflict.Do what you will, as long as there is a division between the observer and the observed, there must be conflict"
-Quote fromKrishnamurti,J.THE AWAKENING OF INTELLIGENCE,London:1973,Victor Gollancz Ltd.-pages66-67.

Life is like the tamarind fruit bound in its shell

Is the division between the observer and the observed conditoning?

Life is relationship

Eve Goodmon wrote:

Is the division between the observer and the observed conditoning?

Life is like the tamarind fruit bound in its shell

Yes and more.i.e. the division is because "I" am conditioned and the division is TIME, This Time then creates its own space. Hence the "REALITY" disappears but ME, the centre colours MY REALITY!-hence conditioned.

Life is like the tamarind fruit bound in its shell

Krishnan Srinivasan wrote:

Yes and more.i.e. the division is because "I" am conditioned and the division is TIME, This Time then creates its own space. Hence the "REALITY" disappears but ME, the centre colours MY REALITY!-hence conditioned.

.Is time conditioning?

Life is relationship

Eve Goodmon wrote:

Krishnan Srinivasan wrote:

Yes and more.i.e. the division is because "I" am conditioned and the division is TIME, This Time then creates its own space. Hence the "REALITY" disappears but ME, the centre colours MY REALITY!-hence conditioned.

.Is time conditioning?

Life is like the tamarind fruit bound in its shell

Yes time is involved in the conditioning process.
Here is a relevant quote from Dhopeshwarkar,AD:J.Krishnamurti And Awareness in Action:Popular Prakashan:Bombay1967:page 28.
" We divide our total consciousness in 3 ways.breadthwise or spatially, into parts and parts; lenghtwise or temporarily, into past-present-future: and in the third dimension or depthwise, into me and thou, in and out, or subject and object. If we observe ourselves carefully, we find that these three ways of dividing are not isolated or independent of each other; they are interconnected, so that division one way necessarily suggests and leads to the other two divisions. We focus attention on one aspect, separated from others; selection is dependent on the past; and it becomes an "object" for "me" the subject; all three changes occur simultaneously. All the ways of conditioning our mind hang round one or the other of these three axes; and it may be possible and convenient to arrange our problems according to the axis to which they belong. The threefold division thus furnishes a rough principle for the classification of the problems.They are, however, rarely confined to one original source, and will be found to be gathering strength from all quarters."

Life is like the tamarind fruit bound in its shell

Krishnan Srinivasan wrote:

Yes time is involved in the conditioning process.
Here is a relevant quote from Dhopeshwarkar,AD:J.Krishnamurti And Awareness in Action:Popular Prakashan:Bombay1967:page 28.
" We divide our total consciousness in 3 ways.breadthwise or spatially, into parts and parts; lenghtwise or temporarily, into past-present-future: and in the third dimension or depthwise, into me and thou, in and out, or subject and object. If we observe ourselves carefully, we find that these three ways of dividing are not isolated or independent of each other; they are interconnected, so that division one way necessarily suggests and leads to the other two divisions. We focus attention on one aspect, separated from others; selection is dependent on the past; and it becomes an "object" for "me" the subject; all three changes occur simultaneously. All the ways of conditioning our mind hang round one or the other of these three axes; and it may be possible and convenient to arrange our problems according to the axis to which they belong. The threefold division thus furnishes a rough principle for the classification of the problems.They are, however, rarely confined to one original source, and will be found to be gathering strength from all quarters."

.So why does the division exist?

Life is relationship

Eve Goodmon wrote:
So why does the division exist?

Life is like the tamarind fruit bound in its shell

Division is not somewhere "out" there, it is the nature of the partial mind that is conditioned and hence it is within "me"When total mind is in operation with the communion with the unconditioned(NATURE) through passive alertness or awareness, division does not dominate or parade prominently, simply subsides into the background,so to speak.Mind you it is also part of this WHOLE MIND.

Life is like the tamarind fruit bound in its shell

The division between the observer and the observed is created by thought and thought by its nature is divisive. Thought is always conditioned because it responds from a background.

If observer is observed and if it is true then everyone should see the same.

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

If what is observed is true....

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

The observer-observed division implies identity is established in content that is the background of experience as the controller or observer. The controller-observer is fragmented, i.e. operating without insight. In the realization that thought as the controller is the controlled, is content, what happens? Thought realizes its limitations and therefore it remains in its proper place and stops interfering with perception. Where perception is undistorted, there is no observer.

The benediction is where you are

ganesan balachandran wrote:
If observer is observed and if it is true then everyone should see the same.

ganesan balachandran wrote:
If observer is observed and if it is true then everyone should see the same.

ganesan balachandran wrote:
If observer is observed and if it is true then everyone should see the same.

ganesan balachandran wrote:
If observer is observed and if it is true then everyone should see the same.

ganesan balachandran wrote:
If observer is observed and if it is true then everyone should see the same.

ganesan balachandran wrote:
If observer is observed and if it is true then everyone should see the same.

Mittarkumar Khera wrote:
ganesan balachandran wrote:
If observer is observed and if it is true then everyone should see the same.
ganesan balachandran wrote:
If observer is observed and if it is true then everyone should see the same.

Why evryone shoud see the same? Everyone being an observer is a conditioned entity and every entity is differently conditioned and therefore must observe differently.

If what is observed is true....?
gb

We are watching, not waiting, not expecting anything to happen but watching without end. JK

It is heart warming to see our friend Prof M.Khera participate again...( he was ill)hope he has recovered and I wish him good health for many years to come.. with warm feelings of regard...Krishnan

Life is like the tamarind fruit bound in its shell

Krishnan Srinivasan wrote:
It is heart warming to see our friend Prof M.Khera participate again...( he was ill)hope he has recovered and I wish him good health for many years to come.. with warm feelings of regard...Krishnan

Thank you very much for your kind words and your good wishes. I am still seriously ill but right now my codition is fairly stable and so I am back here.It is a nice feeling to be greeted the way you have done.
M.K. Khera
(Mittar Kumar Khera)

ganesan balachandran wrote:
If what is observed is true....? gb

I guess, it is true if one observes with complete attention.