Silence is always now as thought is not.

There is nothing so powerful as the truth, and nothing so strange. ? Daniel Webster (1782-1852)

Future is now!

You are the world!

Ending is the beginning!

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

I have a secret.....I don't mind what happens....K

Life is relationship

Is that really your favourite quote :-) @Eve

"To be is to be related" - K

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

Love as the flowering of goodness and yes it is....What does it mean do you get it?

Life is relationship

Yes I did.

"Impatience is time" - K

K actually made the above statement in one of the talks. Will be glad if someone elucidates it.

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

Keshni Sahni wrote:

Yes I did.

"Impatience is time" - K

K actually made the above statement in one of the talks. Will be glad if someone elucidates it.

Life is relationship

This is brilliant?think of it. What does it mean to be impatient? It is resistance to ?what is? or the NOW. I want something that is not here now. When do you feel impatient? Isn?t it when you want something to happen now that is not happening? If one is totally present and not in time would they be impatient?

I don?t mind what happens means exactly the same. No resistance to the present or to what its. I don?t mind means being present. Not being impatient??

Life is relationship

Beautifully said Eve...

you took the same words out of my mouth.

LightSpeed.

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"There is melancholy in the wind and sorrow in the grass" (Charles Kuralt).

There is nothing so powerful as the truth, and nothing so strange. ? Daniel Webster (1782-1852)

Keshni Sahni wrote:
"To be is to be related"

I also have studied this one-liner for many years and it helps in context as to what K was speaking of...(Life, relationships and existence)

Life is experience....,

experience in relationships.

One can not live in isolation;

so life is relationship and relationships in action.

Relationships, surly, is the mirror in which you discover
yourself.

Without relationships you are not,

to be is to be related,

to be related is existence!

[J. Krishnamurti]

There is nothing so powerful as the truth, and nothing so strange. ? Daniel Webster (1782-1852)

Eve Goodmon wrote:
"Impatience is time" - K

@ Eve:

When I am impatient I don't look at something properly, carefully, passionately. Hence I do not understand it.

If I have patience I will observe and understand it completely.

When I do that, the problem is gone. I have understood it.

Impatience results in postponing of understanding. In other words, I will never understand the problem.

"Never" is time.

Correct me if you think I am mistaken.

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

Keshni Sahni wrote:

Eve Goodmon wrote:
"Impatience is time" - K

@ Eve:

When I am impatient I don't look at something properly, carefully, passionately. Hence I do not understand it.

If I have patience I will observe and understand it completely.

When I do that, the problem is gone. I have understood it.

Impatience results in postponing of understanding. In other words, I will never understand the problem.

"Never" is time.

Correct me if you think I am mistaken.

Life is relationship

Keshni Sahni wrote:

Eve Goodmon wrote:
"Impatience is time" - K

@ Eve:

When I am impatient I don't look at something properly, carefully, passionately. Hence I do not understand it.

If I have patience I will observe and understand it completely.

When I do that, the problem is gone. I have understood it.

Impatience results in postponing of understanding. In other words, I will never understand the problem.

"Never" is time.

Correct me if you think I am mistaken.

Very well said and very interesting perspective...yes I see that with you :)

Life is relationship

Toni Lorenzo wrote:

Keshni Sahni wrote:
"To be is to be related"

I also have studied this one-liner for many years and it helps in context as to what K was speaking of...(Life, relationships and existence)

Life is experience....,

experience in relationships.

One can not live in isolation;

so life is relationship and relationships in action.

Relationships, surly, is the mirror in which you discover
yourself.

Without relationships you are not,

to be is to be related,

to be related is existence!

[J. Krishnamurti]

Isn't there another implication to that one liner? Whole of existance inter connected we are part of a whole not a fragment. So to be is to be related to the whole cause we are one?

Life is relationship

Keshni Sahni wrote:

Future is now!

You are the world!

Ending is the beginning!

These are very cool! but do tell us what you think of these?

The future is now. Is there such a think as future? Is there such a thing as time?

We are part of a whole not a fragment. Is there such a thing as an individual?

Does that mean there is no death? Ending is a beginning?

Life is relationship

Eve Goodmon wrote:
Keshni Sahni wrote:
"To be is to be related"

To me it means We do not have to try to relate ourselves with each and everyone. We are already related and we do not have to try. When I see that poor child begging on the street in India, I am that child. There is no difference ( I want to avoid the tree example :-)

Eve Goodmon wrote:
Keshni Sahni wrote:
Eve Goodmon wrote:
"Impatience is time" - K

Being patient only takes limited time to understand, impatience takes forever to understand. That is time.

Eve Goodmon wrote:
The future is now. Is there such a think as future? Is there such a thing as time?
We are part of a whole not a fragment. Is there such a thing as an individual?
Does that mean there is no death? Ending is a beginning?

Future is now - K: We only know past. Future is also a continuation of past. We have to be free today not tomorrow.

Ending is the beginning - K: It is the same as above actually if you look at it deeply.

You are the world - K: This is the same as "To be is to be related". Please see the K quote of my forum "Insights". It says you have to understand the whole of life not a little part of it.

Hoping to hear more on this!

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

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I am on my way to Papua on an expedition. Will write in the future ( ;) if I can evoid a new begining as in death he he :). See you in a month. E

Life is relationship

Hope to see you back :-)

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

"Outer is the inner, there is no division"

This movement from the outer to the inner, and the inner to the outer, inner being psychological movement, which effects the outer, and the outer effects the psychological state, as long as this movement exists, we'll be caught in this cycle of misery. - K

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

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**Q: I feel we are conditioned by your presence.

K: The lady says we are conditioned by your presence. I'll walk out.**

K: One sees the tragedy, the misery, the confusion, the uncertainty and we are too lazy to clear it up. Is that it?

Q: Yes

K: Then please take some vitamins (laughter), put some guts into you and wake up.

Krishnamurti: "If everyone of us lived for ever and ever, and ever, amen, think of what the earth would be like! Filled with ghastly, old, decrepit -you follow?"

K: "....there is the passing fad which is called transcendental meditation. It is really a form of siesta in the morning, siesta after lunch, siesta after dinner or before dinner, so that your mind kind of becomes quiet and you can do more mischief afterwards."

K: "..the waves of doubt will undermine the foundation of the house which you have built on the sands of faith."

How did Krishnamurti respond when asked if he would agree to share the stage at a seminar in Saanen with a group of leaders in education, psychology, and the arts, to discuss the worlds' problems?

A. "Krishnaji's answer was short and to the point. "At Saanen," he said,
"only this dog barks."

This is not a very relevant quote but invokes laughter:

"So if you feel long hair is right, then wear it. But it means that you have to be clean." - K

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

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Toni Lorenzo wrote:
Silence is always now as thought is not.

I just joined this forum and have to laugh at myself. The above seems so profound that I really want to spend some time thinking about it . . . but, guess I?d have to remove myself from the now in order to do so.

On the other hand, K might suggest that I not take his word for it, but rather go into it for myself. So, maybe I don?t need to make any excuses to myself for my choice to occasionally step outside of the now in order to have a better understanding of my relationship to it.

Anybody up for stepping outside of the now in order to help me to better understand this one in terms of their own experiences with it??? (silence has always been a tough one for me, which, unfortunately, you may find out ALL-TOO-SOON)

Linda,
I am sure you already understood this, but a K quote that I strongly remember might help give insight you need

After all, music is the silence between two notes. If it were a continuous sound, there would be no music. It is the silence between two notes that gives emphasis, beauty to the notes. Similarly, it is silence between words, between thoughts, that gives significance, meaning to the thought.

Quoted verbatim from K text collection

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.

Keshni Sahni wrote:
After all, music is the silence between two notes. If it were a continuous sound, there would be no music. It is the silence between two notes that gives emphasis, beauty to the notes. Similarly, it is silence between words, between thoughts, that gives significance, meaning to the thought.
Quoted verbatim from K text collection

Although I have read and appreciated this quote/concept before, it has particular significance to me this morning. To offer the words that one needs to hear precisely when one needs most to hear them is to offer a most precious gift. Thank you, Kreshni, for this one.

Here?s a gift from K that I stumbled across yesterday when reading ?Life Ahead: On Learning and the Search for Meaning?:

?Understand what you are, and from there begin to find out how to be more fully, more freely, more expansively what you are.?

"The speaker has only once been angry."

Krishnamurti, MADRAS 2ND PUBLIC TALK 1ST JANUARY 1984

There is a certain beauty associated with conditioning.