On today's quote

K: "Why do we store up flattery and insult, hurt and affection? Without this accumulation of experiences and their responses, we are not; we are nothing if we have no name, no attachment, no belief. It is the fear of being nothing that compels us to accumulate; and it is this very fear, whether conscious or unconscious, that, in spite of our accumulative activities, brings about our disintegration and destruction. If we can be aware of the truth of this fear, then it is the truth that liberates us from it, and not our purposeful determination to be free."

gv: it isn't clear from the above commentary why being aware of the fact that fear of being nothing compels us to accumulate but works to disintegrate, is what liberates. That seems like just an intellectual insight. We may intellectually see that this is so, yet fears persist.

Isn't it realization of the positive, as presence, intelligence, attention, and ultimately love
that liberates? As K said, intelligence is inherently free and secure. It is not made free or
made secure. Where we can inwardly discern what is of thought and hence insecure from what is not of thought and thus inherently secure, letting go is a natural byproduct of that discernment. Comments?

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Greg Van Tongeren wrote:
As K said, intelligence is inherently free and secure. It is not made free or made secure... we can inwardly discern what is of thought and hence insecure from what is not of thought and thus inherently secure, letting go is a natural byproduct of that discernment. Comments?

ian say since we can never know everything, just intelligence would not be enough to overcome insecurity about things you dont know

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Therese Okamoto wrote:
ian say since we can never know everything, just intelligence would not be enough to overcome insecurity about things you dont know

gv: Hello Therese. It appears the beginning of your comment above was cut off.

I use the term intelligence here in the way that K did. That is, intelligence or insight or perception without the perceiver is from the unconditioned mind and not from the known. Intelligence is impersonal in the sense that it is not from the background of experiences.

K: "Intelligence and the capacity of the intellect are two entirely different things. .... Intellect is the capacity to discern, to reason, imagine, to create illusions, to think clearly and also to think non-objectively, personally....

When one understands the whole nature and movement of the intellect and thought, we can begin to investigate what is intelligence. Intelligence is the capacity to perceive the whole. Intelligence is incapable of dividing the senses, the emotions, the intellect from each other. It regards them as one unitary movement. Because its perception is always whole, it is incapable of dividing man from man, of setting man against nature...

Compassion and intelligence walk together; they are not separate. Compassion acts through intelligence. It can never act through the intellect. Compassion is the essence of the wholeness of life."

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Compassion acts through intelligence... compassion is the essence of the wholeness of life.

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Hi Therese,

sometimes your replies do a great job of giving a powerful jolt to the voices in the head of the other person and help him in achieving the stunned silence.This is meditation made easy ! Good work !

Regards!

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TH: If only the intelligence community would change their definition, politics might actually matter

gv: that's true but what does that have to do with an inquiry in question?

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K said it is the fear of being nothing that compels us to accumulate yet the fear still causes disintegration. And he suggests that awareness of the truth of fear that liberates us from fear rather than our effort to become free.

Is that insight into the nature of fear, the truth that liberates from fear? Or is the truth that liberates the realization of what we really are? If we are content, we are afraid because what can be gained, can be lost, can end.

If we are no-thing, if there is no identification with content, who or what is there to register fear? So an ending of fear means an ending of confusion as to what we are. Is there awareness present that does not register or accumulate?

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Greg Van Tongeren wrote:
Is there awareness present that does not register or accumulate?

Sir, there are not many kind of awareness.The awareness that is the essence of being alive illuminates the contents of consciousness as well as of the world that surrounds us.By its very nature it can neither record nor accumulate.

Fear always has a cause and the attachments of the self create those causes. Self- knowledge is necessary to dissolve the centre of self. In understanding the movement of awareness, one will have insight in to the nature of fear.This movement is always ahead of fear,sorrow, lonliness etc. All our efforts to understand fear are hindrances in understanding this movement of awareness.Fear will persist at one or the other level till one journeys deep within oneself to the level of this movement.

Regards !

FLOW WITH LIFE!

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote:
Sir, there are not many kind of awareness.The awareness that is the essence of being alive illuminates the contents of consciousness as well as of the world that surrounds us.By its very nature it can neither record nor accumulate.

gv: well there is awareness and there is recording. You offer a conclusion that awareness is independent of the recording of impressions and an accumulation of those impressions. If there is never a moment when there is aware presence without thought registering and accumulating, of what use is an assertion that awareness is independent? So I ask can there be? To find out, what happens?

Fear always has a cause and the attachments of the self create those causes. Self- knowledge is necessary to dissolve the centre of self. In understanding the movement of awareness, one will have insight in to the nature of fear.This movement is always ahead of fear,sorrow, lonliness etc. All our efforts to understand fear are hindrances in understanding this movement of awareness.Fear will persist at one or the other level till one journeys deep within oneself to the level of this movement.

gv: yes, what you appear to refer to as self-knowledge (realization that you
are that awareness untouched by thought) is not what K usually meant. K speaks of self-knowledge as insight into and understanding the self as human conditioning. So when K says truth as to the nature of fear is what liberates from fear, I question that for the reason you suggest. It is in realization of what is untouched by fear that there is insight into the nature of existential fear.

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