Krishnamurti & the Art of Awakening

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Michael Berry
Michael Berry
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How important do you consider group dialogue to be in understanding the more subtle points of Krishnamurti's message?

Not very important! Unless one has had genuine insights into the fact that humans are psychologically trapped in the disorder of psychological time, or at least doubts that human thinking is in order, then group dialogue will not be about inquiry but about the self reinforcing itself. There is great danger in making finding out first-hand dependent on anything.

Discussion per se is important when one is learning together, but to set up dialogue groups to that end is meaningless.

There is an assumption in the consciousness that if one duplicates the manner of K's life and his discussions then one will have his insights...this belief is of course erroneous.

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Do you think it advisable to introduce Krishnamurti to people you know? Have you ever done it and if yes, what are your experiences?

I do not discuss experiences, as to this brain they are but a trick of the mind. I have mentioned K's teachings and life simply by stating of the existence of a man who questioned the basic assumptions of individuality as self-hood and saw through the structure of self insightfully, and with understanding...and was able to express same without inventing followers or a system to copy.

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If you had to sum up what Krishnamurti is all about in just a few words of your own, what would they be?

Humans are conditioned to search the known for the origins of the unknown as permanence, and this destroys the truth of existence.

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Do you think it is possible to make Krishnamurti more "practicable" than what he himself seems to have allowed for?

What? Why? This is a wrong question if ever I have encountered one. K didn't "allow" for anything! A man saw something and he pointed out the truth of either tests it or one does not! One either finds out first-hand or one does not. K has no part in it, surely. The brain is either in disorder or it is not. The brain either stays with the fact of disorder or it does not. K is no use in these actions or insights, neither "should" he be...nor did he intend to be!

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Are there any aspects of Krishnamurti's teaching that you find implausible or difficult to accept?

I question K's insistence on human inheritance of a "violent" or "aggressive" animal nature. I also contend that the visual aspect of our conditioning and its reinforcement as the patterns of the self was not gone into by K...this factor does not undermine the teaching...K was after all more verbal it would appear. I also state that K's insights are not about "accepting" or "denying" anything but finding out first-hand.

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Do you think Krishnamurti was exceptional, or is the transformation he spoke of universally accessible?

These are two independent questions. They look at two very different aspects. Clearly K's brain had insights regarding the whole nature of the human brain psychologically...that there is only one brain. It is the brain which had these insights about itself and not a single person, surely.

The second question is therefore meaningless. All psychological transformation is prevented by the self as an individual attempting to change. There is only one brain and therefore one self...the pattern of psychological time is the same movement although it may appear to manifest uniquely when in fact it does not.

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How do you personally go about exploring the Krishnamurti's teachings (through personal study, dialogues, dvds)?

This brain observes everything it does both within and without...realizing that such a distinction is ultimately meaningless. I have dispensed with an animal based diet. One acts technically and not reflexively psychologically.

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mike christani (account deleted) wrote:
Thu, 18 Jun 2009, 10:55pm

Hi, Michael-nice to meet you:)

Michael Berry wrote:
Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 9:45am

Hi Mike - pleased to learn that there is at least one other serious K person out there. Best wishes. Regards Michael.