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Ibsen Birgers: Male, 82 yrs. old, retired social worker - team leader, psych hosp.; Pueblo, CO, United States; Birthday: December 28; Member since: Wed, 24 Jun 2009, 12:29am; Last visited 2 years ago

Member Statement

I'm aware of distance between "me" and whatever else. The sense of separation is my life. And were this not the case why would i sign on to KIN? So "I" am "here" as an assist to defuse "I" and "here".

Interests and Recommendations

Books

Meister Eckhart translator Raymond Blakley, All the strange hours by Loren Eiseley, The Surprising Adventures of Baron Munchausen by By Rudolph Erich Raspe, The Log from the Sea of Cortez by Steinbeck, N by E by Rockwell Kent, Galapagos by Kurt Vonnegut.

Movies

The Thin Red Line, On the Edge, Fargo, The Well Digger's Daughter

Music

Bach, Paganini, Vivaldi, Mozart, Buddy Macdonald

Other interests

Walks/hiking, sketching people, painting, reading,

Interview Answers

If you had to sum up what Krishnamurti is all about in just a few words of your own, what would they be?

Clearing the mind of the ego filter.

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Do you think it advisable to introduce Krishnamurti to people you know? Have you ever done it and if yes, what are your experiences?

Yes, when i sense that K might inform the person. The experience is usually positive. Understandably, there are those who can't make heads or tails out of K.

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Are there any aspects of Krishnamurti's teaching that you find implausible or difficult to accept?

No. In the beginning of my study it happened more often than not. However, this was a challenge. I wrestled with the teaching by taking, say, a paragraph, writing it out, rearranging sentences, substituting words, it was a meditation. After a bit the paragraph "made sense". Now it's seldom that I come across something in the writings that's unclear. Remarkably (to me, anyway) it then became easier to understand other adepts. For instance, Meister Eckhart (14th-15th C. Dominican monk) now made sense.

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How do you personally go about exploring the Krishnamurti's teachings (through personal study, dialogues, dvds)?

Through personal study, dialogs with friends, study groups at the Unitarian church i attend. Emerson, 19th C Unitarian, has quite remarkable insights which i see as compatible with K's teachings.

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How important do you consider group dialogue to be in understanding the more subtle points of Krishnamurti's message?

In a group dialog insights "magically" blossom. That's a fantastic experience!

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Do you think it is possible to make Krishnamurti more "practicable" than what he himself seems to have allowed for?

Yes. To read or hear other adepts is to hear similar truths expressed in different ways. It is like looking at a diamond through multiple prisms.

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Do you think Krishnamurti was exceptional, or is the transformation he spoke of universally accessible?

K was exceptional in that he quite naturally saw reason where others each interpreted reality through their private perception. Transformation is universally accessible by way of other adepts.

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Does the phrase "living the teachings" have any meaning to you?

"Living the teachings" does not mean to live in imitation of K (which the phrase usually seems to mean). "the teaching", by K, is not to imitate anyw one.