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Forum: General Discussion Wed, 27 Jan 2010
Topic: Have I changed

Does Individuality exist? Science almost proved there is not any individulity. The basic atomic particals, proton-electrone-neutrons etc and energy are same in all materials. We all are composition of of these partical and enerrgy.There is no posiibility of entering or exiting any soul, because every sperm and ovum is living cell.They are not dead thing which would become live after entering some soul. It is already live. In the single cell, zygote, mature animal or human is present.In this first single cell human's whole body, including brain, is present.Then how any idividual soul can exist? An human being starts it life from Zygote and finish with death. Though genetic continuty exists.If there is no individual,then who will be free? Who will get bliss or enlightenment? So existance of 'D' is a temporery thing, he is just part of universe? I think I am a permanent being but I am not.This Temperory existance feels seperate from other thing. This feeling is not truth but this feeling exists.Whole strugle, all the psychological social problems are because of this seperate individul feeling.If it can disappear probably all psychological problem can disapper.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 28 Jan 2010
Topic: Have I changed

I have read two books of K completely, Urgency to change and last talks. The title "Urgency to change" hits my mind. We thousands of people heard or read this but not felt "Urgency to change".That is why we have not changed. We don't see any Urgency to change.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 29 Jan 2010
Topic: Have I changed

Erol B. wrote: It is only when one sees real danger, real, with the current course that one is then compelled to change.

It indicates future, no need of change now, in future when i will see danger, change will appear? Do all answer from brain not closes door of further inquiry?

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 29 Jan 2010
Topic: Have I changed

Erol B. wrote: What is it you call inquiry, if not a mental exercise? Or are you experimenting with something?

I will try to claryfy, A question arises from brain that I am always in limit of brain or thought, then any answer from brain can not be answer. So issue is very simple, untill we, you or me, give answer from brain it is of no worth.Question is fact for us but answer is not fact, it is our imagination or it is someone's sayings.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 30 Jan 2010
Topic: Have I changed

Erol B. wrote: The brain is a lot more than thought! A lot more.

Again how do we know that brain has lot more than thought, Do we realised this? Is it a fact for us? For me it is not fact, So if I Repeat this answer then I am doing same thing which from years follower of differnt religions are doing from eras. A question arising from observation has its own flame, all readymade answer are like waterfall on this flame which stops it from finding true answer. So all beauty is in question, so let him find out its answer. Be there with all alertness with question,

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 30 Jan 2010
Topic: Have I changed

daniel moru wrote: then everyone starts its own flight, well ...is not that great ????

It was an enjoyment reading you this time.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 31 Jan 2010
Topic: Have I changed

Erol B. wrote: Questions are useful, up to a point, but they are still questions, are they not? : a series of words issued from doubt about past knowledge or future possibilities. Questions have their value in practical matters, but not in matters of the mind because it is still thought trying to go beyond thought, memory reformulating itself. Does this lead to the new?

Is it So? They are not words when they arises, When we are always ready with answers they fails. Unfortunately we have answer of all questions. Please don't misunderstand "question" by thought, It is flame behind the thought. Though you are right that complete awareness is key.So let us be aware.

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 02 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

There is a silence in forums. It looks most members see uselessnes of words. Finds after discussions there is not any change in their internal issue.So there is a tired approach.Through words we just moves nowhere. Many persons trying to explain truth to others, somewhere may have realised they,themselve don't know it. So just hoping someone, including me, someday may go beyond the words and world, and can speak about truth after knowing truth.

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 03 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

Language is perfact tool in physical matter, eg.word 'car's meaning is absolutely clear. In human psychological matter, it is not clear. But in spiritual matter it is absolutely nil.Only negative wordings possible in spiritual matter, which is this is not.. (NETI..NETI sanskrit) That is not achievable through words, through thoughts,through techniques, through prayers, through masters or through any religions. Actually that is not achievable at all. That is already there. that is nowhere and now here.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 04 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

Dear friends, who cares whether language may be improved or not, I am just trying to state the fact that language is dumb in spiritual matter, and it will remain dumb in future.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 04 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

Erol B. wrote: Then, given your opinion that you just stated, if I may ask, why are you posting on this forum? It is but words.

Dear friend, I am using words because I am a physical matter and I am communicating with physical beings, remember language is for physical things,

Just trying to show other physical beings that their hard attempt to enter in spirituality through thought, words,discussion is totally waste.

All thinking for being free from thinking is waste.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 05 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

Prasanna P wrote: Do you mean to say, one has to stop thinking to become free ?

Dear friend, I feel we see it that, the thought who says to stop thinking to become free is itself a thought, This is the point where we are trying to be clear, we see it clearly that thought can't stop thinking,it is a chain. So 'I' the complex thought trying to be free can't be free ever.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 05 Feb 2010
Topic: Unlock the Timeless

Randal

very sharp, to the point, enter directly and dissect!

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 06 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

Randal Shacklett wrote: No, we believe that thought can't stop thinking

:)Is it so? Isn't it fact?

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 06 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

AN INTERESTING FORMULLA

LOGICAL MIND+MEMORY(INCLUDING EGO)+CONSCIOUSNESS= COMPLETE I AM(human)

LOGICAL MIND(SWITCHED OFF)+MEMORY(ON)+CONSCIOUSNESS= SLEEP WITH DREAMS

LOGICAL MIND(SWITCHED OFF)+MEMORY(SWITHCED OFF)+CONSCIOSNESS= DEEP SLEEP WITHOUT DREAM

LOGICAL MIND(ON)+MEMORY(SWITCHED OFF)+CONSCIOUSNESS= ENLIGHTENMENT/SELF REALISATION/AWARENESS/bliss/freedom

Consciusness is universal, it is always there. Because of ego /thought/memory there is an illusion of not being enlightened. When a mind is awaken without thought (switched off recorded memory), There is clear presence of consciousness. then there is feeling(?) that it was always there. Then there is realisation that soul is not in body but body(all bodies) is in soul(consciousness).There is no present, past or future.There is no division.It is surprising that there is nothing nearer than it but it seems so far

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 07 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

Randal Shacklett wrote: Is it a fact, or do I not know

Dear respected sir, If I may say, we are mixing two different thing. See, If I eat apple and say it is sweet, then it is a fact or not? But If I say something about beyond the phycical world, which I don't know, then that is my belief, not a fact. THis is true, that I don't know anything about that(bliss/enlightenment??), But I can't say I don't know what car, computer, food, mathematic is.So,as i said previosly thought who says to stop the thiking is only another thought, this is chain. I can understand this thing mentally as i undestand 2+2=4.So I am talking only about what I can understand, not about what and how beyondness is.

When i understand this thing mentally that thought can't stop thinking, then I don't try to achieve this through mind/thought.

So this is true I don't know, but I can't say same about physical things, about maths etc.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 08 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

Randal Shacklett wrote: Please see your above post "an interesting formula". Aren't you reaching out for the great beyond, through these formulae?

Dear friend, You are right about this post, This is an imagination, Just a thought of mind, which I find Interesting and thought some other may also find it interesting. so I posted it.

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 09 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

Prasanna P wrote: But alas! the effect of his teachings has ended in identifying the problem, but not in its cure. Still, isn't it remarkable ?

Dear friends it seems we are playing with words, seeing the problem is ending of problem. Identifying the problem is not different from ending. So I think we have not identified the problem.

What is use of teaching? Was he a teacher, A person who says all teachings are of no mean, How can be he a teacher? He said, their is no authority including himself, and we are accepting him as an authority, our first step is wrong, then what about the next. It is possible that I may sound irritating, but I feels it in this manner

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 10 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

daniel moru wrote: Words to share, to point out like with a finger , but the trip is alone, in that loneliness things

Dear Daniel,

I feel a music in your words, It reflects there is a heart, overflowing with emotions, behind these words.

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 10 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

Request

There are two requests,

First from some very intelligent members, who are trying to show that they are enlightened/ transformed person. It is their right to live as they like, but request is that this forum is not right place for such things. They can do it on large scale, as already some others, like Toll, are doing, and can get something whatever they want, fame, egosatifaction or else. It will help to maintain some purity of this forum of very small group of persons

Second request is from persons who are repeating K at everywhere. Dear friends if someone want to know what K said, then there are many books of K . When original is available, then why should use duplicate. It is like preaching "K"ism. Without knowing it, everyone is repeating, thought is past, observer is observed and so on..

So, it will be better to start the journy from where we are not from where K was.It will be better to discuss and observe what we know. It will be better to enter in ourself, observing and discovering, not giving answer from others experience, but discovering ourself

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 11 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

Randal Shacklett wrote: Then what will you do?

I will invite you, :-)

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 12 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

K: very hard, very easy

Our all attempts are based on thinking process, and K proved all thinking process, all knowledge is dead. He proved that thoght can't achieve any thing new. Then most of us feels a dead end. Our all doings depends on thought. Then it seems very hard to understand that just observe but don't think. We live every moment in thinking, and here he says thinking can't do it, then it is very hard to know, that what to do? But on the otherhand it is very easy in the sense there is nothing to do, there is ending of all doing.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 12 Feb 2010
Topic: The Ego in the mirror of the forums

Yes,

All enquiry must be internal. All discussion should be helpfull to boost internal awareness.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 13 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

Erol B. wrote: It is incorrect to think there is nothing to do. There is observing to do, which is not simply seeing, or listening, or feeling, but all together,

Simply the "doing" is character of thought, I used in that sense nothing to do, You are talking about "doing" which is not action of thought, but till now I don't experienced such kind of beyond the thought doing, so I am unable to talk about that

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 13 Feb 2010
Topic: Awareness is already here

aware aware wrote: Body,mind, thought all are not seperate from the awareness, the supreme intelligence

Is it so? Is ego is not an illusion? Is self realistion is not required to know that awareness

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 13 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

RICK LEIN wrote: One would like to request a revisit to post 95

Dear friend

If I refer K then I have to write what he said, but when I speak then I should speak my experience, not K's experience, this is a basic difference, if you can see.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 13 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

RICK LEIN wrote: Experience is of the past,and can,and does,become but further conditioning.

Dear friend,

You are right, we are conditioned. After reading him for months, some of us for years and few of us from decades,still we are conditioned, because we never looked so intensly in matter,we never given full attention. Other wise there, some of us, would have in position to say, what k said, that friends, I invite you to see this universe from a bigger window.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 14 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

commentries on forum

In a light mood, I am interested to say something about interesting forum members. First, there is Mark exley, overflowing with knowledge, he is trying sufficiently to be in every topic, but it seems, still he has expressed very little in comparision, he know. Now other member can take a break, and just enjoy his reading.

Then there are dr sharma and Mina martini, she has overflowing love for all, and in her light, dr sharma want to understand all the vocabulary of K, with her, so that there sh'd not be any confusion for further inquiry And Mina as a dedicated teacher, whenever finds time to come on net, explains everything to him.

And,there is Patricia,completely absorbed with K, when she speaks one can't differenciate whether K is speaking or she.She looks so decent and very beautifull even now.

Next is Randel, a man who have understand everything what a mind can understand, no one can make him fool through beautiful vocabulary, Now he has a heavy hammer for fake one, and he uses it rightly.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 15 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

RICK LEIN wrote: We are all in the same boat!

Right, I too, but who is driving this boat?

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 17 Feb 2010
Topic: Have I changed

Erol B. wrote: thinking still will act when needed, and conversely won't act when not needed.

Well, we will continue to imagine,.. thinking will when act and when not, but we don't want to see what is fact? Only intellectual, logical guessing, continious postponment of seeing the fact.