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Forum: General Discussion Sat, 29 Jan 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

What is reincarnation after all? Can a separate fragment of Spirit be imprisoned in a body? Is it any more realistic thinking that this happens only once instead of happening thousands of times?

I seem to have memories of previous lives, yet I've never been anyone half as "important" as Krishnamurti. I disbelieve of these memories in the same way I do of my current perceptions. Everything looks so unreal...

I can't see no reason why Krishnamurti shouldn't reincarnate in Kerrie's body. It feels like she's just being honest about her perceptions. Perception is almost always wrong, as we project what we think we need get rid of. I believe her and I welcome her to my so-called life.

At the end of the day, whatever real was within Krishnamurti is whithin Kerrie and I and you. Only that matters.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 29 Jan 2011
Topic: Does one know why they are participating in this forum?

Karrie Harlan wrote: by most of what I have read so far on this site [] the reason people are posting is not for actual intellectual or spiritual discussion, but instead for ego alone

Posting in this site and anything else we do in this world is, very likely, an ego activity.

Some of the pleasure I find in visiting this site could be explained by an ego wish to believe I belong with the "chosen ones" who have grasped the meaning of Krishnamurti's teachings.

Is that all? I can't know for sure...

Yet sometimes it feels like we are trying to help each other to see the obstacles we have put to our awareness of Love, Truth, the Presence of God, whatever you call it.

Our fondness of fighting is undoubtedly one of those obstacles, and I seem to have seen some fighting around. Loving answers and a wish to share I have seen too.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 29 Jan 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

Ravi Seth wrote: That Brahman which is the common Reality behind everything in the cosmos is the same as the essential Divinity, namely the Atman, within you.

Very much so, my friend.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 29 Jan 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

Ravi Seth wrote: you mina?

No, that was from Juan.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 29 Jan 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

Mina Martini wrote: Mina: Gomez's statement here means, if further clarification in words/descriptions is needed, that there is only one undivided reality. No division between within/without.

I really love it when my siblings spare me the effort to explain what I mean. Thank you, Mina and thank you, Ravi.

I am neither very knowledgeable of the Upanishad, and so probably, as a Westerner and a member of a Christian tradition, I would have chosen "God the Father" and "Christ His Son" instead of Brahman and Atman. But those are only words, form, and I think all of us are pointing to the same content.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 29 Jan 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

Karrie Harlan wrote: Glad to observe while the dialogue unfolded

Glad to see that my misspelling your name didn't upset you, darling. You are carrying this seeing your name misspelt from your previous life.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 29 Jan 2011
Topic: Does one know why they are participating in this forum?

Eve Goodmon wrote: We are here to look at our own ego function not to look at others. Since the other is only an illusion and a reflection of the self, the universal self all this name calling and finger pointing is....?

Self-hatred? Guilt projected outwards? Sheer madness? The unbelievable belief in separation?

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 30 Jan 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

Patricia Hemingway wrote: K said: Man created god in man's image, and then asked 'god' to explain the universe, and this sent man mad.

ganesan balachandran wrote: mad god man has made:) gb

Maybe that silly, horrible ego thing was already maddened by fear when it thought of substituting our Source by an image of itself on steroids.

When you believe you've managed to destroy Oneness, fear of retaliation must follow. You need then someone to blame. That cruel, vengeful, punitive man-made god is a nice candidate. A few billions of bodies seeing each other as guilty would seem to do the trick as well.

Taking seriously the idea of separation can only bring about this nightmarish dream we believe we are living.

Yet we seem to stick to that unbelievable belief.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 30 Jan 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

Mina Martini wrote: And what utter simplicity there is when no idea is taken seriouslusly

Yes Mina, taking seriously separation, believing that the impossible has happened is our one mistake. May we set ourselves free from such silly idea.

It is just that we cherish so much our being special! There cannot be specialness in Oneness.

No nonsense can last forever. Let's be of good cheer

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 31 Jan 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

Mina Martini wrote: we could say there is specialness in Oneness, but the word then means that there exists nothing that is not truly special and unique! :-)

That was up to the point!

Sometimes we manage to use for communication purposes what was made to shun it -words, language. Isn't that a proof that we share an Inner Teacher able to use anything the ego made to take us back Home?

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 31 Jan 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

Mina Martini wrote: this is so!

I am tempted to edit my sentence you quote to write 'lead' or 'guide' instead of 'take'. I realise that is but investment in form and refuse to surrender to such temptation.

You got the content. I have nothing to add or edit.

Thanks so much for being in my dream! You make it a happy one.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 12 Feb 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

idiot ? wrote: to examine and discard our own beliefs

nick carter wrote: How would you know? Have you done it?

I certainly have not done it and thus I do not know, yet I have an overwhelming feeling that happiness waits for me behind my questioning of each value I hold dear.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 12 Feb 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

nick carter wrote: Karrie and I have a great relationship.

Same here. And just in case someone is wondering why she is so silent, I will disclose this e-mail received from her on Feb, 10:

'My email has been hacked and is sending out spam. I get internet on my phone only and cannot delete contacts or my account from it so I am sorry if you have received any emails from this adress just delete them while I figure out how to make it stop. Thanks'

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 12 Feb 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

nick carter wrote: If I wasn't so compassionate, I'd give you ten lashes with bold italics.

If you ever get tired of being compassionate there are harder lashes than just bold italics as you can see:

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Forum: General Discussion Sat, 12 Feb 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: Doesn't questioning come from the same source that holds values, dear or otherwise?

It comes indeed from the same source, namely from our ability to choose between the ego's thought system and our shared Inner Teacher's thought system. And thus the answer to your second question is yes again, although for the sake of clarity I would like to add that while the ego's thought system is just a belief system, our shared Inner Teacher has no beliefs; It only knows.

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: That feeling of future happiness, is it an incentive or handicap or a trickle that is likely to become bigger in time?

As I cannot but agree that it is a trickle likely to become bigger in time, I must refrain from saying that 'future' is not the right word. Yet the Holy Instant either is now or it is not.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 12 Feb 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: As one becomes simpler, one is blessed

Yes, complexity is of the other teacher; the ego. This teacher/thought system always speaks first and louder. Yet it is committed to an impossible task; teaching us that what is false is true and what is true is false. I think sometimes the ego just gets tired and stays silent for a very short while.

Then you can hear your Inner Teacher. It is always speaking to you, yet it never attacks, it is never commanding, it just waits for you to listen. And it is its will that you learn how nonsensical are the lessons the ego is trying to teach you. But it does not impose its will, he waits for you to accept that its will and yours are one. It knows you will for it wills you only happiness.

One can learn to listen to this Inner Teacher we all share. The ego can feign the voice of the Inner Teacher for its so-called 'life' depends on your listening to it and ignoring your Inner Teacher.

The test of which teacher one is listening to is lasting peace. Joy is but an effect of peace. The ego fears peace more than anything else. It can feign some sort of very short-lived peace, though.

Your inner peace can be felt as threatening by other people egos too. One of the laws of chaos the ego thought system conceals -not very well- is that whatever you have you have stolen from someone else. Being so scarce, peace is a very valued commodity in that world the ego pictures and tries to teach you is reality.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 13 Feb 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

Tihit Kumar1 wrote: If you can share some guidance

I cannot not share guidance, for the Guide whose Voice I sometimes can hear is an Inner Teacher we all share.

As our Inner Teacher's function is showing us our way back Home by the realization that we are only dreaming of separation while safely resting in the arms of Oneness, I wouldn't expect It doing anything within the dream. Its function is offering us Its interpretation of what seems to happen in this world we dream of.

So distrusting my Inner Teacher because It does not look after my finances, the health of my body, my sex life, the wellbeing of my loved ones, my finding a parking space, my becoming a successful character or whatever else would be falling in an ego trap. Making this dream a sweeter dream is not Its function. Helping me to be aware that I am not a character in a dream someone else is dreaming but the dreamer of the dream is.

That questioning of inner voices you speak of seems very wise, for I have noticed that my ego can feign the voice of our Inner Teacher and, as I wrote above (post #70), lasting inner peace is the test for which teacher I am listening to. One can seem to be surrounded by chaos and yet rest in peace.

As we cannot even think of our Creator without a body, thinking of our Inner Teacher -the memory of our Creator that cannot be erased from our minds- as a guardian angel, the Holy Virgin, Krishna, Jesus, Buddha or whoever is OK. Thinking that It does things in the dream would be a mistake. Mistakes are not such a big deal. Our Inner Teacher will eventually correct them all.

We seem to be able, though, to ignore our Inner Teacher's voice lifetime after lifetime. Yet our ability to endure the pain that follows must have a limit. It is a choiceless Teacher which never attacks. We made choice. It can use the possibility of choosing we made to set us back in our choiceless freedom. It can use anything we made to imprison ourselves to set us free.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 13 Feb 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

Amber Cinquini wrote: we can end human conflict

'The approach to the problem is more important than the problem itself; the approach shapes the problem, the end. The means and the end are not different from the approach. The approach decides the fate of the problem. How you regard the problem is of the greatest importance, because your attitude and prejudices, your fears and hopes will colour it. Choiceless awareness of the manner of your approach will bring right relationship with the problem. The problem is self-created, so there must be self-knowledge. You and the problem are one, not two separate processes. You are the problem.

The activities of the self are frighteningly monotonous'. [J. Krishnamurti Commentaries on Living Series I Chapter 41 'Awareness']

Amber Cinquini wrote:

Mr Carter,

Are you willing to experiment?

Are you, Ms Cinquini?

It's only a rhetorical question. As unlikely as Karrie's claim of being Krishnamurti reincarnated may be, it is much more unlikely that you -or anyone else for that matter- are willing to perform an experiment which certainly would bring about the disappearance of the universe as its result.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 14 Feb 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

Tihit Kumar1 wrote: no matter how much we think we know

What if our thinking that we know was the cause of the noise that does not let us hear our Inner Teacher voice?

If I knew, what for would I want a teacher?

It seems to be required for me to accept that I do not know what anything (including this dialog) means to be able to hear Its voice.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 14 Feb 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

Ravi Seth wrote: correct your statement

As much as I would like to put an end to the seeming conflict Ravi vs Juan, I cannot seem to find a way of pleasing you.

Krishnamurti did not bother to explain what 'problems [conflict] will always exist where the activities of the self are dominant' for, as quoted in this site home page. Perhaps because it is plain to see that selves sow, water, fertilize, prune and harvest the weed of conflict to avoid their starving to death.

So maybe I can correct my statement from 'or anyone else' into 'or anyone else who dreams of being a self,' and if that pleases you so be it. Conflict will stay alive and well. I cannot be accused of neglecting my conflict-related duties for I am still assuming that Ms Cinquini -and anyone else for that matter- dreams of being a self.

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 15 Feb 2011
Topic: I have an overwhelming feeling that I am K reincarnated.

Ravi Seth wrote: an attitude of superiority

Dear Ravi,

as more often than not I dream of being a self, I am not free from indulging in attitudes of superiority (or inferiority, which wouldn't make any difference).

Selves always want more. More of whatever it may be, but more. More pleasure, more pain, more wisdom, more ignorance... no matter what, just more and then one bit more.

Probably the quoted statement would be better worded like this: or anyone else who more often than not dreams of being a self, for no one is excluded from the Holy Instants when we realise that being selves cannot be the truth about us.

Whether there was an attitude of superiority, another lost battle in my struggle against a foreign language, both, or none of them behind my first wording of that statement is quite irrelevant.

Our joining in seeing conflict for what it is undoes the dream. That is relevant.

Ravi Seth wrote: must have or is doing some experiment or the other to know completely this 'known'.... the "I"

And J. Krishnamurti wrote:

The happiness that truth brings cannot be if there is no experimentation in self-discovery [...] To experiment, there must be no fear. [J. Krishnamurti Commentaries on Living Series I Chapter 2 'Identification']

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 16 Feb 2011
Topic: 'k' statements not understood.Kindly help.

Ravi Seth wrote: it couldn't contain all this enormous energy

As this was said in conversation with David Bohm, considering that Bohm posited the existence of an oceanic reservoir of energy which would reside exactly in the places our sensory perception -and all the machinery developed to enhance it- find empty, could be of some help.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 17 Feb 2011
Topic: Knowledge

nick carter wrote: awakening to non-dual consciousness

Words are tricky, aren't they?

Isn't consciousness -a conscious subject plus some external object of which being conscious- the very stuff of duality?

Yet I like to think I understand what you mean.

Conveying non-duality through words -symbols of symbols- is a mighty task requiring cooperation from the listener/reader. Making Krishnamurti an object of study/cult is sheer denial of that cooperation.

Speaking for myself and only for myself, as you were so kindly encouraged to do, I find Krishnamurti's finger stubbornly pointing to falsity and thus opening a way to awareness of what is true. This I appreciate. The loose way he used words like 'mind', 'thought', 'idea', meaning one thing and its opposite depending on the place you look, I do not appreciate that much.

I guess I am denying him my cooperation when I do that.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 20 Feb 2011
Topic: The self

nick carter wrote: what kind of people they are

They might be the kind of people who are open to consider ideas like: 'in actuality, your consciousness is not yours. It is the rest of mankind's, because we all go through the same mill, the same endless conflict.' [J. Krishnamurti Washington D.C. Talks 1985 1st Public Talk 20th April 1985]

Or this one: 'You are the world, the world is not different from you. You have created this world and you are responsible for it, completely, totally' [from the talk given the morning after]

(Please note that this includes considering that 'my' consciousness and Adolf Hitler's, Mother Theresa's, Bin Laden's and the Dalai Lama's are one and the same thing.)

Amber Cinquini wrote: deep down we do know what is true

How deep down would you know that the previously stated is true? Or is it false?

Paul Davidson wrote: you do not wish to group people together and label them

'My' consciousness does that for me, it seems.

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 21 Feb 2011
Topic: The self

Dr.sudhir sharma wrote: this would apply to the basic nature (appratus) of consciousness and not its specific contents

And J.Krishnamurti said [J. Krishnamurti Washington D.C. Talks 1985]:

'Your consciousness is made up of its content. Without the content there is no consciousness.'

How would I be conscious that Hitler was so evil or Mother Theresa so loving?

Are those characters anything else than a part of that common consciousness some prefer to disown/condemn and another part some prefer to cherish?

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 22 Feb 2011
Topic: The self

Amber Cinquini wrote: why is it a form of violence?

Because of the denial of Truth contained in the game 'now you lead and I follow and after a while I'll lead and you'll follow, but we shall never walk together, hand in hand.'

The obstacles to our awareness of Love, Truth, Reality (whatever you call It) are removed by all of us together or not at all. Playing the leader/follower game keeps those obstacles in place which is at the root of every form of violence.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 27 Feb 2011
Topic: The self

Elan J. wrote: the follower wanting to be led by the masses

Would you say Krishnamurti was a follower wanting to be led by the masses?

The following link http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teach...# will show you that in 68 out of 73 documents kept in www.jkrisnamurti.org the words "I am the world" appear (more than once sometimes) which means all together or not at all, whether we like it or not. I must admit my self does not like it very much.

Krishnamurti might be wrong, of course.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 26 Aug 2011
Topic: Was K Depressed?

Hi everyone!

After quite a few weeks of browsing these forums without feeling any need to say anything, I've found this already long thread and I'm going to take a chance of being dismissed as another alter ego of that monkey some of you say.

The very belief -which everyone in this world shares or otherwise they wouldn't be here- that one's life consists of inhabiting a sooner or later dying body bound to kill other so-called living things in order to feed itself is really depressing.

What's so wrong about being depressed? I haven't met one single person who was not. Yet I know of many who are in denial. So if K was depressed, what's the big deal? Having to breath and kill oxygen molecules by the million in order to stay 'alive' must depress anyone with a little ability to think.

Either his teachings ring true for you or they don't. And that's all.

And I think K's teachings are for everyone, though maybe not for everyone right now.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 28 Aug 2011
Topic: Was K Depressed?

Ana Flavia Lucas wrote: What would be the right action? Should we do nothing? Just to be sensitive? All “care” is division?

It seems to me that all 'care' based in the belief that there is a 'you' and there is a separate 'I' who has something 'you' lack cannot be but divisive; empathizing to destroy.

Paying attention might be the right action.

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