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Forum: General Discussion Tue, 26 Jun 2012
Topic: The most dominant conditioning

Jk always said most of our problems come from heavy conditioning. By conditioning he meant the images, experiences, teachings, etc that have remained with us and impacted our thinking, behavior, etc. And these conditionings affect how we think, react to issues in life, etc.

The conditionings may include religion, country, education, parents, etc. From these, am asking: what do you think is the most dominant conditioning on our lives?. Some are conscious, but others may be unconscious.

Nicholas

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 26 Jun 2012
Topic: Do I teach or do I learn?

The 'know-it-all' phenominon is the culprit. Yet we only know what the mind has experienced. Anything new, is unknown to us. Let us put knowledge where it belongs. It has its country and citizens, which are not global.

To go beyond knowledge does not need knowledge. As K says, you require perception. And it has, I presume has no methods or path.

Nicholas

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 27 Jun 2012
Topic: The most dominant conditioning

"Having something to embrace and hold fast to is of greater value to them than exposing the fear and uncertainty that drives them".

Holding on to something may be valuable. But this is the past as K used to put. The past is dead. It is like tradition, which according to K is also of no value. It makes our tendencies to be past-looking, the brain child of thought. So uncoil your past. Let go the known, and embrace creativity. Live momment by momment, the holy grail of true living.

Nicholas

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 27 Jun 2012
Topic: The most dominant conditioning

That is true. However, in one of his interviews with Dr. Anderson, K also said that the unconscious is actually more active, although most of us may not agree or know.

Nicholas

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 27 Jun 2012
Topic: The most dominant conditioning

One of man's major fears is fear of death. But all this is because 1. we separate live from death. Death as K says is something to fear about. Something horible...2. Because we are not ware that life, death and love; as K puts them are one. They are in one movement. Not divorced, not...

Thought is then the culprit. But pleasure drives this as well. We think, death should not rob us of pleasure. Until we acknowledge as K says that all the above are one movement. They are separated. We shall not leave behind fear of death, losing a job, wife, money, house, etc.

Nicholas

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 27 Jun 2012
Topic: The most dominant conditioning

True. In this physical environment we need the past to guide us. However, intelligence may seen everything-in-one. But how do we cultivate inteligence?.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 28 Jun 2012
Topic: The same movement: Life and Death

In this video link text at 36:35 K states clearly that life and death are the same movement. However, most of us think that life and death are not the same. Death, just as life (living) is related to time. There is time for birth and living. And there is time for death. And death is put at a later date. Into the future.

Why does the human mind think that life and death are not the same?. Is it because of duality?. Of fear?. Being attached?...

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 28 Jun 2012
Topic: The same movement: Life and Death

One has to be a light to oneself. But we should also find all these together!

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 28 Jun 2012
Topic: The same movement: Life and Death

If one does not want to find with another...Can't this be implied as selfish?. This is where ego or self has led us. Even K in most of his speeches encourages us to find the truth together. What is wrong in finding...with one another?

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 28 Jun 2012
Topic: The same movement: Life and Death

This is segregation. Exploring K's teaching should not be a club. A club where some are welcome and others not.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 29 Jun 2012
Topic: The same movement: Life and Death

...every mindless K derived...!!!

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 30 Jun 2012
Topic: The most dominant conditioning

Good to read from a perfect being!

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 30 Jun 2012
Topic: The most dominant conditioning

What a sad a assumption.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 30 Jun 2012
Topic: The most dominant conditioning

We are not using Sudanese in this forum

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 30 Jun 2012
Topic: The most dominant conditioning

Jack, Thanks for the post.

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 01 Jul 2012
Topic: The most dominant conditioning

The purpose of this website and forum is to "...provide a comprehensive Krishnamurti resource on the internet". So guys, lets focus on fulfilling the purpose of the forum. Lets try to provide resources for those who are interested in exploring K's teachings. Not to attack members for expressing their views.

I am very happy to read lively discussions from members who focus on exploring K's teachings. These lively discussions add value to the resources for others.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 12 Jul 2012
Topic: Human Beings and Violence

Why are human beings violent? To answer this question, let’s define violence. There are two key ordinary definitions of violence. First, it is ‘…behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something’. Second, it is ‘…strength of emotion or of a destructive natural force’.

Out of the above definitions, the last part of the second one struck my attention. ‘…of a destructive natural force’. Does this imply violence is natural? How can we reconcile this with statements usually made by demonstrators against political dictators? Martin Luther King Jr. advocated for principles of non-violence. Mohandas Gandhi also pursued non-violent resistance. Would love to read views from members in these issues of violence!

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 17 Nov 2013
Topic: Leadership, Dictatorship and 'Immortality'

Human beings have for centuries tried all sorts of things to live for ever. For example, they have tried to think of eternity; even formed the idea of 'God' to whom they pray to live for long time. This could also explain why the Pharaohs of Egypt buried their dead with things of their daily live.

However, the same thought seems to have manifested itself with dictatorial leaders. These leaders used all sorts of tactics to hang onto power for as long as possible. They may suppress and control opponents. Use the military, guns, etc. to control others.

To make matters worst, such leaders also want to pass their rule from one family member to another. In other words they want to rule for eternity. They seem to be driven by immortality.

The question then is: Is it possible to realize immortality by using dictatorial leadership?.

Nicholas

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 17 Nov 2013
Topic: Leadership, Dictatorship and 'Immortality'

Jean, Thanks very much for contributing to this tread. You have asked the right question. This has to be answered.

From the surface of it, the things that die include the organism; the physical aspect of human beings.

However, according to JK, thought carries on. Our attachments to worldly things acquired carry on. Unless our self dies, immortality becomes an illusion.

Nicholas

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 17 Nov 2013
Topic: Leadership, Dictatorship and 'Immortality'

Mike, Thanks for your contribution. You are right; dynasties have died and continue to die.

However, many do not seem to believe the above. Hence , you find dictators the world over do everything to ensure their rule continues as if death of the physical body does not touch them.

This is the question!.

Nicholas

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 03 Jan 2014
Topic: Can freedom solve the prolem of poverty?

Although 'poverty' seems to be manifested in many ways; can 'freedom', which implies unhindered solve it?. This is a question I would like members to go into so that together, and if possible, we may find the answer.

It is an important question because no one wants to be poor; whether physically, emotionally, psychologically and in other forms. Poverty may bring pain, anger, war, frustrations, hatred, envy, sickness, separation, conflicts,and much more.

Lets go into this. Nicholas

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 03 Jan 2014
Topic: Can freedom solve the prolem of poverty?

Dear Fellow discussants; I would like to make two observations:

First, it is exciting to note how your posts have generated interesting viewpoints on poverty and freedom. Many thanks for this.

Second, when the topic on 'poverty' was brought in I felt that it would be approached from a broader sense beyond the normal physical and economic sense of lack or insufficiency. Nevertheless, let's meditate.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 04 Jan 2014
Topic: Can freedom solve the prolem of poverty?

Freedom implies 'no limitations' in any sense. However, poverty in any sense whether economically or physically implies some form of limitation. Therefore, without freedom it is unlikely to deal with poverty.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 04 Jan 2014
Topic: Is any form of 'separation' or dualism natural?

As human beings we are aware of all sorts of separation: short and tall, man and woman, yellow and blue, night and day, etc.

What has brought this separation?. Is it natural(i.e. not artificial) or artificial, i.e. not creation of nature?. This question seems to be important in our lives since 'separations' have brought about not only conflicts, but also some false security.

Let's meditate.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 04 Jan 2014
Topic: Is any form of 'separation' or dualism natural?

Is there 'unlimited fragment' therefore?.

Nicholas

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 04 Jan 2014
Topic: Is any form of 'separation' or dualism natural?

...when there is no comparing things..

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 08 Jan 2014
Topic: Can attention burn up thought?

K has always said in many of his talks that 'thought' is limited, implying a number things. For example that 'thought' is: the past, divisive, experience, accumulated knowledge; a bundle of memories, etc.

However, although he (K) did not say that one can move from the plane of 'thought' to 'perception', he nevertheless seems to suggest that it is possible to go beyond the 'what is'. That is to say go beyond the limitations of thought. In this regard, K has always said that we have to be totally attentive; observe without choice, 'choiceless awareness'. For example, K even said that 'attention is like a fire'. Does this imply that 'thought' can be 'burnt' by 'attention'?.

Lets meditate on these issues guys!.

Nicholas

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 08 Jan 2014
Topic: Can attention burn up thought?

Although being attentive in the physical sense; that is to say applying control and focus seems to disable the flow of thought for short while, the illusive thought comes back. How can K's 'attention' work here?

Forum: General Discussion Mon, 17 Feb 2014
Topic: Is dying physically means being irreligious?

K has talked a lot about religion and meditation. He seems to say that religion and meditation are related. Related for one reason that meditation embraces the whole of human activities. Even religion(not organized religion) one needs to deal with it from all aspects of life. So is religion life?. If so, is physical death being irreligious?

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 30 Jul 2014
Topic: Getting to a singular mind

According to K, most human human beings seem to misunderstand freedom. They think freedom implies choice; and choice means confusion.

In addition, confusion may also imply conflict. The conflict between two choices, which seems to tie up with the nature of human mind. The human mind that says I like this and do not like this. Effectively showing the dualistic nature of human mind.

Furthermore, physical freedom to us may mean getting out of prison. That is to say leaving one's physical confinement that may have been imposed n the name of protecting others from arm.

So, can real freedom come about from a mind that is singular?. That is to to say, a mind that has NO choices?.