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Patricia Hemingway's Forum Activity | 2249 posts in 13 forums


Forum: The Sacred Sun, 07 Jun 2009
Topic: Is thought thinking?

There is a place for thought - and it is in the purely technical - purely logical.

When technical thought, which can only measure, spills over into the psychological it is completely out of its natural place, and that perpetuates all human problems.

But to talk of eliminating 'thought' without understanding its place and its out-of-placeness just leads to more dead-ends.

Forum: The Sacred Mon, 08 Jun 2009
Topic: Is thought thinking?

Hello Richard -

Thought can too often be treated as a K version of "The Devil" - the thing to be combated and defeated, which of course is in our conditioning to see things that way.

Much theorizing goes on about what can we 'use' to eliminate thought, and it all becomes very complicated, and psychological thought finds a perfect 'out' in all that confusion, and continues triumphant. Whereas it is quite simple to just be aware of the tricks that thought is playing to perpetuate itself in the psychological.

Forum: The Sacred Mon, 08 Jun 2009
Topic: Is thought thinking?

Richard Kover wrote: Wish you had said more about a connection to self-knowledge, if you see one.

But Richard - what else are the tricks if not self knowledge?

Forum: The Sacred Mon, 08 Jun 2009
Topic: Is thought thinking?

Peter Stephens wrote: When I say something, I don't have an understanding of differences in thought.

Hello Peter -

Why not?

Forum: The Sacred Tue, 09 Jun 2009
Topic: the purpose of being

Richard Kover wrote: Don't the problems in the Middle East spring from the same problems everywhere on the planet, namely, the corruption that happens in the human brain?

Of course.

Forum: The Sacred Fri, 12 Jun 2009
Topic: the purpose of being

Peter Stephens wrote: I question the notion of two types of thought; technical thought and psychological thought.

Well question away.

But it isn't that there are 'two types of thought' at all. There is thought in its place in the technical, and completely out of place in the psychological.

Forum: Insights Sat, 13 Jun 2009
Topic: Is there an ending to search?

Randal Shacklett wrote: Yet it is what we worship about ourselves.

Of course - we are our own best creation!

Forum: Serious Debate Sat, 13 Jun 2009
Topic: You are the World

It's a fair enough question.

To me primarily it is about responsibility for the disorder humanity wreaks on the planet. It is an ending of 'them' and 'us'. It is seeing that there is only one human brain on the planet and 'I' am that.

Forum: The Sacred Sun, 14 Jun 2009
Topic: the purpose of being

Peter Stephens wrote:

Yes but what is this distinction to the person? Where do I make this distinction?

One can only see the fact of it in oneself, in one's actions and reactions. It very soon becomes clear when thought is out of place in the psychological.

Forum: Insights Sun, 14 Jun 2009
Topic: Is there an ending to search?

Ramesh G wrote: I don't know why we should condemn thought or ourselves.

It is not a question of condemning or judgment. It is simply the facing of the fact of what humanity is and the damage perpetrated, without turning it all into an experience to be either avoided or condemned.

We are the world - we are responsible. Who else is going to see this if we do not?

Forum: Insights Sun, 14 Jun 2009
Topic: Commentaries on living

I suggest it is important to see "Commentaries on Living" in the context of when it was written in the journey of K's life, as indeed everything in the teaching is most wisely seen within its context.

For me, K was at his most clear and austere at the end of his life, when he had finally negated all that the self can find security in, or turn into an experience.

Forum: Serious Debate Sun, 14 Jun 2009
Topic: You are the World

Can hardly wait Randal! ;)

Seriously - please do elaborate.

Forum: Serious Debate Sun, 14 Jun 2009
Topic: You are the World

Drakanthus Drakanthus wrote: Since birth we are all indoctrinated with the belief systems of our society, parents, peers and teachers.

I would like to add here that human conditioning is even more insidious and difficult to unravel than that, as the movement of it perpetrates and entrenches itself through endless generations.

So it is much bigger than just looking at 'my own' little bit of conditioning or indoctrination, but rather apprehending the whole of it within humanity, and throughout cultures.

Forum: The Sacred Sun, 14 Jun 2009
Topic: Consciousness
Ramesh G wrote:

When the 'me' is not, there's no consciousness as we know it, but only a pure perception.

Is that a theory or a reality? That is the question I would ask myself in this instance.

Forum: Insights Sun, 14 Jun 2009
Topic: Is there an ending to search?

Linda said: "I suppose I'm an excellent example of what K talks about when he says that, to search for something, means that you already know what it is that you are searching for (and are, thus, limiting what you find to that which you think you already know)."

Hello Linda. That is a trap anyone can fall into if one's search involves an 'outcome', and unfortunately in the very early days K did offer 'outcomes' - (as in: 'To set man absolutely free') Many still cling to what they see as promises of 'enlightenment'. This is why the austerity of the teaching at the end of K's life is so much clearer, but not nearly as popular.

Is it possible to find out for oneself without projecting any outcome? That has been my question, and I am only sharing it - not recommending it. OK?

Forum: Insights Sun, 14 Jun 2009
Topic: Is there an ending to search?

Have you noticed there is something wrong with the format on here? Anyone quoted comes up as Keshni.

Are you there Dev? Technical problem!

Forum: Serious Debate Sun, 14 Jun 2009
Topic: You are the World

Being a 'devil's advocate' is fine Randal, but do you want to stifle communication altogether?

People are free to discuss anything. If there is another issue to be raised - by all means raise it. We can all question what is said - with logic and without personal put-down!

Randal said: "Because, you know, my job is to point out the obvious fact that most people have their head stuck deeply..........;o)"

Isn't your only concern where your head is stuck? We are all responsible for our own heads I would have thought! :D

I know - you were joking!

Forum: The answer my friend is blowing in the wind Sun, 14 Jun 2009
Topic: Questions and spontaneity

In relation to unanswerable questions:

K said: "Man created god in man's image and then asked god to explain the universe, and this sent man mad."

Forum: The answer my friend is blowing in the wind Sun, 14 Jun 2009
Topic: Questions and spontaneity

gp garden wrote: Or, is the god which you reference through K just another name for "I"?

Of course - what else?

You are correct about citing references. I will do so.

Forum: The Sacred Sun, 14 Jun 2009
Topic: Consciousness

Ramesh G wrote: The discovery is this: hidden in the ordinariness is the non-ordinary. Because we think Life is ordinary, we don't look, and because we never look, Life is always going to be ordinary. So we need newer sensations. Looking is the key, I feel.

Dear Ramesh. Do I hear hope in what you say? Can one look without turning it into experience I wonder? And do we 'need newer sensations'? Or is it simply a matter of staying with what is?

Forum: The Sacred Sun, 14 Jun 2009
Topic: the purpose of being

Peter - that is for you to find out, and not for anyone else to answer.

Forum: The answer my friend is blowing in the wind Mon, 15 Jun 2009
Topic: Questions and spontaneity

A few sourced quotes about god/me - all from "The future is now".

"Man has created god by his thinking; god has not created man."(Varanasi 1985) "Don't say 'god' and run away with that. I don't accept god; the speaker has no god. Is that all right?" ( Madras 1986) "You can believe that you are reincarnated. That's a very comfortable idea, but it is not a fact." (Madras 1986) "The gods whom man has invented - your gods - your thinking - will always be limited. And from this limitation we try to find the source of energy - you understand? - we try to find the origin, the beginning of creation." (Madras 1986)

And before you tell me that this has nothing to do with your chosen subject, let me remind you that the teaching is a wholeness - everthing is interlinked.

Forum: Serious Debate Mon, 15 Jun 2009
Topic: You are the World

Randal Shacklett wrote:

Where do you see communication Patricia?

It's a myth Randal!

Forum: Insights Tue, 16 Jun 2009
Topic: Is there an ending to search?

Hello Linda

The fact is - we are alone. Alone is fine. Loneliness comes about when one wishes it were other than it is, which is a movement away from the fact of being alone.

Forum: Serious Debate Tue, 16 Jun 2009
Topic: You are the World
Randal Shacklett wrote:

Yes, and so how can I cause problems for a myth?

Do you believe everything is about you Randal? ;)

Forum: The Sacred Tue, 16 Jun 2009
Topic: the purpose of being

Peter Stephens wrote: Please drop the personal.

You asked a question in personal terms, and the reply was in your terms.

It can equally apply to the general.

Forum: Serious Debate Wed, 17 Jun 2009
Topic: You are the World

True!

Forum: Serious Debate Thu, 18 Jun 2009
Topic: You are the World

Ramesh G wrote: have some compassion for us and help us grow?

How would you see yourself growing Ramesh - physically or psychologically?

Do you still believe that another person can 'help' you psychologically?

Forum: Serious Debate Thu, 18 Jun 2009
Topic: The Oak Grove School: Is it teaching its students about conditioning or is it mearly just another prep school?

Robert Michael wrote: that innate capacity, as I sometimes call it, which is necessary in order for a genuine mutation to take place in a person?

Yep - listen to Robert - or is it 'Michael' - he has the recipe. ;)

Forum: Insights Thu, 18 Jun 2009
Topic: Is there an ending to search?

Ramesh G wrote: until we give birth to an 'I' beyond the mind with its incessant chattering, the self will continue.

Give birth to another 'I'? One isn't enough?

This is the root of the problem, isn't it? - the desire to take the 'I' into 'the unknown'.

The self cannot conceive of letting go its greatest 'creation' - the 'I' - so it thinks if it can just put on another coat and hat............. then it will still be an 'I' - but one 'without its incessant chattering'.

What's more - that self is conditioned to believe that this is 'enlightenment'. Just create a 'Higher Self' - (with capitol letters! - and a new coat and hat.)