Krishnamurti & the Art of Awakening

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Wim Opdam
Wim Opdam
Belgium
Birthday: April 17
Member since: Sat, 24 Jan 2015, 11:04am
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Improve the world
starting with yourself and hell
stop, go no further !!!

Once I had a robust correspondence with someone who seems te be a Krishnamurti copy cat and while writing him a letter suddenly realising that all I was telling him also mirrored my own doing.
So I wrote to him:
" I got answers but surprisingly different from those I asked for and from within.
Now I see on a more than intellectual level, among other things is this:
• Doubting is as dangerous as concluding, all kinds of hidden assumptions and meanings etc. are part of it
• Any conclusion from whom about whatever has no influence on truth.
So It’s pointless to try to discover or uncover the truth in this way,
because even when you agreed on a conclusion you still could be wrong.
And also:
The whole universal as we know it is movement of energy on different levels, scales and densities and a conclusion is a fruitless attempt to stop that movement and doubting an attempt to get in the flow of that movement.
• Truth will unfold itself for those who enquire their own actions and only to them and for them and to or for no one else.
• Persuasion - others or yourself - is also a form of violence.

In the past I agreed and understood this on an intellectual level, but now – I hesitate to write it down - it became real, alive. ( Sorry I can’t express this whole set of being into words.)

Whatever anyone thinks about this whole situation, they should keep in mind that it could be right or wrong, even right and wrong and make no conclusion.

I wish you a happy life and not another encounter like this one.
For me I shall refer to it as: “ A close encounter of the weird kind “.


Interests and Recommendations

Books

From Herman Hesse:" Goldemund und Narcis & Journey to Tomorrowland." " Essental David Bohm."

Movies

The Never ending story The Matrix (all 3 of them)

Other interests

Writing poems and Haiku Walking and cycling

Interview Answers

How do you strike a balance between healthy doubt and ready acceptance in investigating Krishnamurti's proposals?

It's a never ending activity and by doubting your doubts but also your acceptance of the proposals will keep you alert in living and make it bright.

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Do you ever feel that you have been conditioned by Krishnamurti's teachings?

One of the first things which triggered me was his repeatedly suggestion:
" don't accept what the speaker is saying but find out for yourself ".
In doing so the mind keeps on trying to find out if what has been said is truth or not.
And that prefents any conclusion or conditioning. In itself you can call this a conditoning but it doesn't feel as such because your mind keep on probing and stay open for whatever comes in your live.

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How important do you consider group dialogue to be in understanding the more subtle points of Krishnamurti's message?

I consider group dialogues as an important tool to discover my own subtle ways and layers of conditioning or my own interpretation of what is said.
Was it a message or rather an appeal to investigate?

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Does the phrase "living the teachings" have any meaning to you?

Yes, because otherwise it's a mind game for the intellect, playing with words.

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If you had to sum up what Krishnamurti is all about in just a few words of your own, what would they be?

There's no way or make no sense to sum up what Krishnamurti is all about.
Because what's really about you cann't express in words.
Read his books and read between the lines and may be you sense something worthwhile !

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Do you think it is possible to make Krishnamurti more "practicable" than what he himself seems to have allowed for?

What is it he not allowed for?
The only practical thing is serious enquiring your own thinking and doing.

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Do you think Krishnamurti was exceptional, or is the transformation he spoke of universally accessible?

He was exceptional in the sense that he had such a clear mind and by the way he almost begged us to investigate.

I cann't comment on the item if it is universally accessable because that would be a hope, something in the future we only can work on what's going on now.

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Can dialogue - in the sense of sincere inquiry - be organized or can it only come about spontaneously, unprompted?

The way a communication developed into a sincere inquiry cann't be organized. We can set up the possibility to come to that but it seldom comes around and often it becomes a play around words or discussion.
But the few times it came spontaneously, unprompted makes up for all those times it went wrong.

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Has coming into contact with Krishnamurti and his teachings had any perceptible effect on your life and/or relationships?

In the 40 years since I for the first time read something from Krishnamurti I'am sure there's an effect but don't ask me to sum it up because then it seems to be a collection and it has nothing to do whith that.
At this very moment I could say it still keeps me alert and learning.

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Do you think it advisable to introduce Krishnamurti to people you know? Have you ever done it and if yes, what are your experiences?

I only introduce Krishnamurti when people ask my source. By then I know there is a real interest and tell them that my view on live changed by studying him and others, Like David Böhm.
I've never had a bad response on that.

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Are there any aspects of Krishnamurti's teaching that you find implausible or difficult to accept?

I found the teaching exceptional logical and clear but don't accept them as such and use the information to investigate my own thinking and doing.

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What future do you foresee for Krishnamurti's works? Do you think they will grow in importance or will they just gradually die away?

There's a nice story abouth two boys who grew vegetables.
One of the boy's was very careful and looked every day in the ground if his seeds grew.
The the other left them in peace and gave them once a week some water.
Who do you think had a crop after a while ?

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How do you personally go about exploring the Krishnamurti's teachings (through personal study, dialogues, dvds)?

I explore them in every day live.
Also through personal study, dialogues and dvd's and to my surprice discovered by rereading his books deeper layers of meaning.

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